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I've met people who managed to announce they were shitty in the first few minutes of our encounter. I've also gotten to know certian really shitty people pretty well.

There's always a story they tell themselves that makes it okay, though, and it's always driven by some kind of weakness they have, even if it's rank narcissism. Evil implies a level of self-awareness that's never been there.

I can't say they don't exist, but they're damn rare and I've never crossed paths with them. Even Nazis have been known to self-improve over time.

So you don't want to go against the jerk, okay.

Oh. It's a foundation that provided and provides free access to the new and exciting technology of the INTERNET. The most popular thing now seems the be shell connections to machines running historical OS's like Unix. There's also Gopher and dialup and an internet radio station and a bunch of other services. Lemmy isn't even listed on the main site, but obviously it still is online.

Beyond that I have to admit I'm new and don't know it all. The foundation's website itself feels like a mix of a museum exhibit and an actual active front page.

Thanks?

Agreed. The point being that people aren't really upset about whether it's art or not. They're mad about money.

And that's not exactly dumb either, making bread is important. It'd just be nice if it was admitted to.

AI being appropriated for neural nets which might even do things unrelated to what we think of as intelligence is annoying, I'll give you that.

What art is is kind of a huge can of worms, though. In any case, it's pretty clear they can satisfy potential clients a lot better than human digital artists, and that's where at least part of the butthurt comes from.

It was, but doesn't that seem shortsighted now? When there's a change it's usually bad for someone, but no change since the 1700's would definitely be bad, even if there's a steady two pence or whatever to be made weaving.

Sitting in 2025, we can identify a whole lot that was wrong with the world and conditions of labourers (including literal slaves) then. It seems kind of odd to blame technology for them, at least directly. But, that's where the luddites turned their anger, and Lemmy seems to slide into doing the same thing - although there's a lot of overlap with valid skepticism about things people claim AI do, that it actually can't.

Since it's my instance and you can probably click to it through my username, I felt like a link would be overkill. But: www.sdf.org.

That was honestly kind of rhetorical, too. It's been something you could connect to since the 80's, and it's still an everyday part of my life, which is related enough to mention even if OP wouldn't call that a website.

If we did what they wanted, I couldn't afford the clothes I'm wearing. Or probably a lot of other things - shit tons has improved since the late 1700's.

Sure, there's less weaver jobs now, and there will be less digital artist jobs in the future. Arguably, the past few centuries have shown that if there's other things that we can do instead, it's still for the best. (If there's not, a whole new conversation opens up)

Yes, it's not a good argument totally unsupported. You can live in a society and still criticise it, if there's no reasonable choice to do otherwise.

The thing is, I really like not having to weave my own clothes, or do whatever trade was made obsolete by all the technologies since. I'm guessing OP does too, and there's no good reason to place a cutoff on that at 2020.

If OP thought things would genuinely be better if we went back to medieval tech, this would be a different, and actually much more interesting conversation. As it is, they just didn't know the history.

No. The luddites were against the move away from manual weaving, and literally did break into factories to smash looms.

I like that CTV captions the random stock image they used with it's date 5 years ago.

I'm not too surprised. We provide a wide open door into a dead end, a lot of the time.