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While they were happy with what the fairphone 4 brought to the table, they seem to like what was changed for the fairphone 5.
What are you guys' opinions on this? A welcome change? would you get one if your phone died within the next year?

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[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 78 points 11 months ago (47 children)

And I give it a 0/10 on having a 3.5mm connector

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Is that really that much of an issue in the age of USB-C?

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 77 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Yes, the 3.5mm jack is more durable than USB-C (since it is rotationally symmetric twisting doesn't apply force to the connector), it maintains compatibility with billions of audio devices and doesn't block your charging port if you use it.

[–] firefly@neon.nightbulb.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They could just make magnetic connectors with a shallow socket. But those would last longer and you wouldn't need to keep buying new stuff.

CC: @Petter1@lemm.ee

[–] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love the CC. Makes this conversation feel more formal.

[–] firefly@neon.nightbulb.net 4 points 11 months ago

Yes, it does impart a sense of gravity to otherwise mundane chatter. The only thing missing is letterhead with a monogram.

For some reason I don't yet understand, my fediverse server inserts the CC in some replies and I forgot to catch it. I haven't had time to analyze the rooster's guts yet.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Begs the question why aren't charging jacks designed like audio jacks?

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If you wanted them just for charging it would be fine. Barrel jacks are still pretty ubiquitous.

If you want them to also be data they get less great. They make 3.5mm/etc jacks with 3 "pins" and I assume more. But every time you're inserting/removing the cable it's rubbing past the insulators separating the contacts. Their failure per plug/unplug is higher than something like USB-C where the 24 contacts are being pushed together instead of brushing past each other. It would suck if you put in your USB-barrel and one of the contacts broke/bent.

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Typical stereo headphones have 3 pins. Left, right, common ground. Tip, ring, and sleeve (not sure if the conductor order).

4-conductors used to be common for portable camcorders and early digital cameras. They’d put our composite a/v (extra conductor for video/yellow, still a shared ground). Tip, R1, R2, sleeve.

I’ve seen USB 2.0 (or perhaps 1.x) done over a 4-pin 3.5. And I’ve seen RS232 over 3.5 a number of times too (used to be common in ham radio in the 90s/early naughts).

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The video ones are what I was thinking of. Fair enough that I forgot to count ground.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's actually a bit crazy - and very impressive - that the cable I use to tickle-charge my phone at 15W could also be used to connect four 4K screens, an external GPU, multiple 10GBe network adapters all while providing well over 200W of power... if my phone supported and of that, that is.

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[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

There are plenty of products out there that use TS style audio plugs (more 2.5mm in my experience than 3.5mm) for DC power for portable devices. When you get to data transfer requirements, the higher pin counts of current connectors wouldn't be space efficient.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

See, you just described a thing and made a statement, but I don't buy that one bit. I've broken several 3.5mm plugs but never once a USB-C.

I'm on the side of 3.5mm in phones, but there's a reason XLR and 1/4" are the industry standards for audio.

[–] dog_@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I'm the opposite. I've broken several USB-C connectors, and not one 3.5mm

[–] modus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

XLRs on phones? I can get behind that.

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[–] Lazz45@sh.itjust.works 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yes, I should be able to play music, AND charge the phone without a 9 wire adapter like those universal charger plugs from 10 years ago. Wild concept. I wonder when phone tech will be able to support such a thing

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think phones should have 2 USB-C ports

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[–] wazzupdog@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Live by the wire, die by the wire(with a 3.5mm plug/jack of course)

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

This and most phones literally let you do what you're saying right now.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yes, it's fucking ridiculous! My cans are now either useless or cumbersome and everything else sounds awful! It's like you people who just want some noise have never even heard decent audio!

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[–] vardogor@mander.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (10 children)

my issue right now is that i use one of those charging + 3.5mm splitters in the car, but when they're both connected there's a loud ass buzz. a 3.5mm ground loop isolator works but made bass sound terrible. i'm probably gonna get an old phone just for music in the car 🤦🏽‍♂️

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[–] dynamo@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is an adapter, buttt yeah I would really miss being able to just plug in a pair of headphones.

[–] dog_@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

That is a solution to a problem nobody wanted.

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