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Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Short answer: the Kremlin.

Long answer: Kremlin paid propaganda leaking everywhere.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago (26 children)

The Kremlin isn't why communists exist, communists exist and are growing in number due to the ever-clear fact that capitalism is failing globally.

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You know there are more options that regulation free capitalism and communism?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Kinda? That's like saying there are many types of feudalism. Feudalism, capitalism, and socialism all describe currently or historically existing modes of production and distribution, but each society itself has its own characteristics based on level of development, the environment, etc. Communism is a post-socialist, global society, so we won't bother with discussing it at present. Within socialism itself, there are clear differences between how it works in China, vs. how it works in Cuba, as an example.

What's common to capitalism is that it's unsustainable over the very long term, and its contradictions become more apparent and fragile the more centralized it becomes, and it necessarily is always working towards this centralization. Socialism solves the problems with capitalism, and is a marked step forward onto the next mode of production and distribution. This is true in general, but each case in particular will have its own unique characteristics to be considered.

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have traveled the world and have seen economies of different types function in first person. The only definitive is that the extreme ends of the spectrum have the same result. Scarcity for the common person.

I have been in a place that did not have any flour for making bread aquirable by the common person, while having the streets full of beggars. And you can't tell me which system I am talking about.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Systems do not change conditions overnight. Many socialist countries became such a way after being ravaged by colonialism and imperialism, sanctioned and plundered. Socialism does better than capitalism scientifically.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cool, why don't you tell us of these options that actually exist and defeat capitalism for extended periods of time in large portions of the world?

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am not responding and falling into your bad faith discussion, but I am interested in the tirade of a response you are waiting to type out after I say something disagreeable. So enlighten me.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

What's bad faithed about asking for actually existing alternatives to capitalism besides socialism?

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're not responding because they're right and you've got nothing and you know it

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your response affirms my reason for not responding. People that view the world in a black and white way cannot engage in good faith discussion. You are just waiting for a reason to attack, not to be enlightened.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

You're making shit up and using it as an excuse for failing to offer any response at all, dumb and embarassing

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean human societies everywhere are failing and some people attribute that to capitalism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Nope, socialist countries are showing positive movement and steady progress, and global south countries are escaping underdevelopment traps.

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[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Everything I consider bad in the world is the fault of those pesky easterners"

Now please, explain to me how the propaganda apparatus of a decrepit post-soviet nation with an economy the size of Italy has a bigger, more powerful and more pervasive propaganda apparatus than the US empire and the EU together.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now please, explain to me how the propaganda apparatus of a decrepit post-soviet nation with an economy the size of Italy has a bigger, more powerful and more pervasive propaganda apparatus than the US empire and the EU together.

Easy.

Propaganda is cheap. Especially in the age of the internet.

Why build bombs and wage physical war for astronomical amounts of money when you can put some incels in front of a few computers and sow incredible division between the people's of another nation you don't like? In that scenario a weaker/poorer nation can absolutely outplay a stronger/wealthier nation.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 6 points 2 days ago

So the US, with 10 times the budget, can do 10 times better?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please tell me how a small group of scientologists have extraordinary influence or a little country like Israel does. Let's not pretend these things exist or that propaganda isn't incredibly successful.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Israel has extraordinary influence because it's backed by the US, Scientology is also from the US...

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That wasn't an answer.

Edit: for clarification you downplayed Russia's influence but these even smaller countries and groups also have a disportional ability to disseminate propaganda.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Scientology is a cult which rich people join because there are other rich people, it's a manifestation of class power. In the US it's Scientology, in Spain it's Opus Dei...

Israel I did provide an answer for.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Thank you. Why does Israel, that has the 1/4 the economy of Russia, able to effectively disseminate propaganda.

Is Russia not capable of making propaganda?

https://russiapost.info/politics/propaganda_machine

After researching it appears Russia has a very robust and effective propaganda machine. Why are you downplaying their success?

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Why does Israel, that has the 1/4 the economy of Russia, able to effectively disseminate propaganda.

Because Israel is funded by the USA and has deep interconnections with USA's intelligence apparatus. It's fundamentally integrated into the USA's propaganda machine and supported by the USA's vast vast network of intelligence, propaganda, corporate control over the media, and dark money.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Welcome to Russia.Post, an expert journalism platform of The Russia Program at the George Washington University

Hahhaahhahahahahhaahhahahahahahaha

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Russia certainly attempts to have a robust propaganda system, and their propaganda certainly works within Russia. However, all states have propaganda systems, and Russia's isn't particularly strong. Evidence for that is that you're sourcing your information without any awareness from some George Washington. It's literally the Soviet joke:

An American spy and a Soviet spy are sharing a drink
A: Your propaganda program is incredible! Truly sophisticated stuff. I tell you, we at the CIA are in awe.
S: Thanks friend but our propaganda has nothing on yours.
A: Comrade, I don't mean to disrespect you, but there's no propaganda in the US.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is university level shit not some gossip newsrag, so I am going to have to call bullshit on your point of view.

I am very aware of that joke as I heard it over thirty years ago originally when the USSR still existed. It was mildy funny back then. Now, it just shows your are some washed up wanna-be communist.

I am glad you admit to the truth. Still not sure why you downplayed the fact. I suppose it helps reinforce your worldview when you have obviously fallen for their "not strong" propaganda. Have fun denazifying the Ukraine from NATO's agression!

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Back in the day on Reddit it was all about Putin riding a horse and wrestling.