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I’m gonna side with the people at nottheonion here.
I went to the post and read the article you were replying to. It’s about a 10 year old who is advocating for electric cars over ICE cars and you called that propaganda. Not only did you attack a 10 year old, exactly like the octogenarian congresswoman the post was about, you also did it in a very pedantic way.
I also disagree with the message. It’s beyond utopian to think zero cars is feasible in any way in the coming decades or so. Especially in the USA, where they don’t have the infrastructure. Yes electric cars are still bad, but yes they are also much much better than ICE cars. It’s much better for people to drive an EV than an ICEV while the transition away from cars is made. So, your comment is a great example of perfect is the enemy of good.
I like NotJustBikes and the whole idea of carless cities just as much as you do, but there will always be a necessity for cars, albeit on a much much more niche scale than it is now. Think of people who are disabled and can’t walk the 600 meters to the metro station or get on a bike.
The way you did this though is not helping the message get across in any way and will only make people feel more negatively about our cause.
To be clear, those people should have mobility options available to them. But why do we put primacy on disabled people who can drive over disabled people who cannot drive?
I don’t mean they would have to be able to drive themselves – although autonomy is very important. But a car or some other form of stable four-wheeled transport that can move them from door to door is necessary for a disabled person’s mobility. Could be their SO driving or a taxi.
Also it was just an example, and just the first one that came to mind as someone who recently broke their hip by falling off their bicycle.
Which disabled person? Disabled people are not a monolith, and many are unable to drive but perfectly capable of riding a bike, adaptive or otherwise.
If you read my first comment you will find the answer.
Disabled people and poor people are both disproportionately negatively affected by automobiles. The idea that they "have" to have access to a car because they are disabled isn't proof that disability requires cars, it's proof that even the people who can least afford it are burdened with having to have a car.
Well. What is your alternative?
just wanna leave that there like its a sane thing to say? criticizing ideas is not attacking people, even if they happen to be ten.
Calling someone’s well-meant essay propaganda is not attacking to you? And you call me insane?
Seeing that graphic that was posted the other day where like 80% of people in the US drive to work, just getting that to the European level is beyond utopian.
I’m also afraid the US is beyond help at this point.
But that also means we should advocating for EV’s in the US even more instead of alienating drivers with utopian “extremist” views that will never stick in the first place.
I don't know if its my instance but I don't even see an article link. So from my perspective its not even close to nottheonion faire which is supposed to be real news articles that you would think came from the onion or other satirical news sites. Honestly its far to easy to find nottheonion articles now which is so sad.
I went to his comment and the link is in the post.
And I agree with the sentiment about nottheonion in general, but that is not what my comment (or his) is about.
yeah see I do not see a link to his comment or anything with the post here so I assumed it was a post he did that was the picture. So heck Im confused by what he posted here given it does not explain enough much less what he had in nottheonion. I think he is going to get a lot of poor feedback from poor correspondence and I fully realize im all over the place with my fediverse things so its a bit like im the pot in this situation.
So you're going to accept whatever children say? That's all the more reason to question it.
It's actually the dystopian reality as oil and other resources become unaffordably rare. The extreme privilege of cars is only sustained through violence against humans and the planet.
Wrong comm.
Did I accepting whatever children say? Sorry, but you’re going to have to do better than a straw man argument if you want a serious response.
Yes. That is kind of thepoint. Oil is not feasible anymore, and the infrastructure isn’t there for zero cars. EV’s are a good way to transition.
I don’t think so since my comment isn’t downvoted into oblivion.