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Next year Windows 10 goes End of Life. Microsoft will undoubtedly push windows 11 hard, but a lot of machines won’t support it leading to a few economic points of interest:

The demand for new machines will be high, driving up cost.

The supply of unsupported machines will be high, driving down the used market.

Are you all ready?

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 123 points 6 months ago (11 children)

If MS decides that my hardware is obsolete, I'll just go full Linux πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Personally I use Linux Mint on my other machine and Windows on my main PC

Before Windows 10 goes EoL I'm going to get my NAS running a Windows VM for Fusion 360 and Lightroom and my main rig will be on Linux Mint as well

I just need a need to finish my NAS rebuild to get everything rolling at full steam

Unfortunately that means I need to stop buying car parts first

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

stop buying car parts first

Oof. Same, brother. Same. πŸ€œπŸ€›

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As your attorney I advise you to buy a motorcycle. Bikes and bike parts are cheaper. And then you can have more bikes than cars, and more bikes to buy parts for. Wait, where was I going with this again?

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

This was my logic.
Sell the BMW and get a Ducati and then a Honda Monkey….
Ooooh shiny new Rizoma parts!!!

My account ain’t growing at all…!

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 15 points 6 months ago

Did that over 10 years ago so hope you join up soon. :)

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[–] Dagamant@lemmy.world 85 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, people are just going to keep using it, they just won’t get updates. That means they will be vulnerable to any exploits that come along afterward but most people don’t care. M$ shot everyone in the foot when they decided to limit windows 11 compatibility.

When windows 7 came out I knew people who stuck with windows xp until they bought a new computer with 10 or 11 on it. The market will get a slight bump from EoL but it isn’t going to force everyone with windows 10 to run out and buy a new computer immediately.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's mostly just to force the hands of businesses that will now have to upgrade to stay compliant with security standards

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Which is probably the play. I'd doubt Microsoft really gives a flying fuck about home users buying licenses anymore, since their revenue model for consumer Windows is just ads and data harvesting now anyway.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 months ago

A few months back we just upgraded some school computers from Windows XP to Windows 7, so that checks out. They can barely run that anyway and get almost no use.

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[–] nafzib@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago (4 children)

With Valve pumping all that development money and effort into proton, I will finally be able to go full Linux before Windows 10 ends it's life. I only needed it for gaming, but those days are finally gone! Thanks Valve! ^_^

[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I did that this year, smooth sailing so far!

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I did it many years ago. Some minor hiccups (Mostly at the start, with a select few games taking a while before running well in proton), but overall my experience has been pretty smooth as well. Especially in like the last..3ish years? I dont think I've been held back from playing anything I seriously wanted to play.

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[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

IMHO people just won’t give a flying fuck about it. Most people won’t even be aware of it.

They’ll upgrade when they’ll buy a new PC, just as usual.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 32 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Just get yourself a copy of the LTSC (long term service contract) versions, they will still be supported until 2027, and in the past have been extended by up to 5 years on top.

It's the only viable alternative to Linux, for those who can't switch for one or another reason. Windows 11 is pure cancer.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 21 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Having used 10 and 11 interchangeably since 11 came out... meh.

I mean, maybe there are additional annoyances from the IT/sysadmin side that I just don't bump into as a user, but besides some UX downgrades that don't make sense (that taskbar... why?) it's a pretty neutral change. Maybe I'm to grizzled by having been there in the switch to 95. I unironically had Windows Me on my computer there for a while. I even caved and did some Vista eventually.

But not Windows 8. Windows 8 was unusable.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The taskbar is one thing, but it's horribly slow, even on a rather high spec laptop. The delay from clicking start menu icons to programs starting is very noticeable, and some programs freeze regularly. MS Office are actually some of the worst offenders. I tried it for 2 weeks and then did a fresh install of Windows 10.

I didn't even mind ME, for me it was running pretty stable. I heard most issues came from people updating from 98 or 98SE to ME, a clean install was usually stable.

I skipped Vista though, went straight to 7. Still my favorite Windows. 8 was crap, 8.1 was not bad once you applied the taskbar fix.

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Windows 8, maybe. But Windows 8.1 was awesome. The optimization, it ran perfectly on a potato.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yep. I get they wanted to pretend 8 wasn't a complete bust, hence the 8.1 nonsense, but they should have called it Windows 9 and been honest about it. They certainly acknowledged it by the time 10 came around.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Nothing got named "Windows 9" because Microsoft feared compatibility issues with janky programs looking for the first set of characters in "Windows 95" or "Windows 98."

Later this was changed by the marketing department to some blather about "wanting consumers to perceive a clean break from the previous version." But then, Microsoft also claimed Windows 10 would be the Last Windows, and it would just have feature updates built on top of it forever as a service. So you sure as fuck can't take anything they say at face value.

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago

The first release of windows 11 LTSC is supposed to be out sometime this year too.

Much like the 10 version, I expect it to have most of the bloat removed and only require a couple tweaks.

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 months ago (7 children)

We are trialing about 20 Linux desktops (10 Linux mint and 10 zorin OS) across 2 of our MSP clients.

So far, they have had zero technical tickets in 6 months. They did have double the average user training tickets compared to windows machines. Most of the questions were around how to work with editable PDFs and where is the document was they just saved (file manager questions).

Zorin OS seems to be winning on the usability metrics. Its very polished and more closely matching the UI of people coming from windows.

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[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 months ago

From the bottom of my tortured soul: fuck Windows.

[–] moon@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are people out there still using Windows XP. Not everyone will jump because Microsoft is trying to force their hand

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

If by people you mean botnets, then yes.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

Already got my NEW 12-core machine before prices go up, running Debian 100%. With my 25 year history of using Linux and pirating Windows, MS never saw a damn penny from me, and I'm proud of that fact. Not even an OEM license (all my laptops I ever had were work supplied and I build my own PCs)

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes I am.

I hope for the cheap unsupported to-be-Linux machines.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Corporations (the only people who actually care about their OS being in support) upgrade their machines every few years so they've already done that. Home users don't know what that means and won't care. The remaining 2% have already installed linux.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 10 points 6 months ago

This.

Official OS support is a security concern. The machine I have in use at home that is running Win10 is doing so on deliberately old hardware for preservation and it will continue to do so indefinitely, just like my XP machine. I'm even a bit surprised myself by how few Win10 computers I have, considering I haven't once upgraded one to Win11 on purpose. I thik I may have an older laptop that is still on Win10 and can happily stay there, since it doesn't see much use.

But hey, corporate office PCs ARE likely to hit the used market in higher numbers at that point, and those are often a good deal for cheap DIY builds. It's still a good date to track if you're into that sort of thing.

[–] AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Using rufus it's pretty easy to install windows 11 without meeting their bullshit requirements.

Did that for my work laptop, which is getting old but runs just fine. Including windows 11.

Plenty of reasons to switch to Linux, but this can be circumvented. And anyone who doesn't know how to, because it is too complicated shouldn't really switch to Linux anyway IMO, because they will already run into trouble with finding compatible printers, getting software for proprietary hardware they are using, etc.

[–] treeofnik@discuss.online 14 points 6 months ago

Recently switched to Mac for work and all my home stuff is Linux. Let the rain fall

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like there are going to be a lot of machines running a fresh install of Linux next year. Microsoft really does β™₯️ Linux.

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago

Honestly I'm a bit excited for the amount of systems about to hit the used market

They're just screaming for Linux

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm ready to reinstall 7, problem solved.

[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Honestly, once a Microsoft OS goes end of life, it becomes a great offline machine to run older software and games.

Guaranteed not to be pissed around with Microsoft updates.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Finally I don't need my computer for working, they provided us with company laptops, so I don't need to worry about compatibility and windows only programs anymore.

So you know what I'm going to do once windows 10 reaches eol.

For my it will certainly be the year of desktop linux.

Been ready since before Win 10 was announced. I went 100% Linux 10 years ago.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it will drive up cost, because all my future machines will have to be specced to be able to run Linux and Windows (in a KVM in Linux) properly at the same time with good performance.

[–] polygon6121@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I do it already at work! Windows runs great in qemu.

There is a few things that we still need to move away from, app wise, that requires windows. But already I solve 95% of my work tasks in Linux. We will soon move all terminal computers in our production lines to Foss software and new stations run Ubuntu. Linux runs lighter and cheaper and easier to maintain and update and replace. We are super happy about it.

Best thing is, it will only get better!

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I'm seriously considering making Tiny11 my daily driver on my gaming desktop.

I'm about to start a prolonged test run on my new to me secondhand laptop as soon as my ADHD brain lets me remember at an opportune time to actually do it πŸ˜„

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[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago

Not really, but I have 18 months to migrate all my shit away from there. I've already moved a lot of my critical stuff to FOSS software running under win10 and I'm more than passing familiar with Linux. Shouldn't be a massive deal.

[–] Crafter72@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The only thing that hold me back full-time linux daily driving due to workplace uses M$ suites (Office, Teams, Outlook and so on) and CAD program (Freecad pita for me, haven't tried Ondsel addon).

I don't think they would just abandon the support overnight (unless they're being greedy af and want to drive the failed "Windows 11" adoption very fast). The fact that they only make "sudo" utility only for Windows 11 is disguting (though you can do it yourself on windows 10 too), pretty sure they will keep giving security patches just like XP and 7 being legacy system.

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I don't know. I have a 7th gen i7 and it works fine, I want a new PC but can't afford it, but even if I could I wouldn't touch Win11 with a barge pole.

I fucking hate it. I don't want to move to Linux. Probably just pirate the updates for the next 3 years and then deal with the security risk.

Need to petition the EU to shop this shit and force them to extend life due to the insane amount of e-waste it will cause.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Lmao, I've been ready since 7 reached the theoretical end of life.

Air gap 7, use Linux on everything else.

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