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Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Be careful where you tread here. You must be careful to separate "communists" (people who believe in economic reorganization away from the power of capital) and "tankies" (those who support corrupt regimes that project the illusion of communism).

There are indeed quite a few communists and various other alt-camp political spectrum believers on here. They do have quite liberal beliefs but don't typically cause much of a fuss, because rational people can coexist with differing beliefs... and i dont mind them one bit. But the tankes, like lemmygrad, hexbear, etc, do stir up an anti-west "commie propaganda"fuss every chance they get, without being related to actual communism, especially if one mentions a hot button like Israel or Ukraine. And if you get into an argument with a tankie, they will just sling mud on you and call you a Nazi.

The cool part is, you can filter a lot of the chaff by just blocking the ugly instances from your user settings page (since Lemmy supports that now), blocking frequent flyers, and trimming/moving your subscribed community list to other, often smaller instances. A minimal amount of effort VASTLY increases the quality of content you'll see on lemmy.

[–] ArdMacha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

American says communism and means socialism

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

American says communism and means conservative democrat or Trump Republican, depending on who is saying it.

AES barely even registers, except for the occasional "Why don't you move to Vuvuzela!"

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why isn’t anyone defending AEC countries?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Nobody actually wants to be Estonia anymore

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lemmy, the social network, started off as a leftist hangout spot.

From the perspective of "Open Source developers who are anti-Reddit pro-Fediverse", it makes a lot of sense for Leftist/Communist and anti-corporation leaning people to hang out.

After all, the more extreme the viewpoint, the more driven to action (ie: write tens-of-thousands of lines of code and release for free) people get. In some regards, its the nature of Open Source + volunteer effort to attract a more extreme ideology. IE: Free Software is driven by ideology, not by money. So you get ideological people, especially when the software is small and niche.

The July 2023 Reddit Blackout was a big challenge for Lemmy's old community and the new community, as the new community basically "invaded" a large scale leftist hangout spot. But hopefully we all learn to work together and the nature of our neighbors moving forward.

I think anyone here (likely everyone?) is at least on the anti-corporate anti-Reddit side of the discussion. Which is enough of an alliance to keep us together, for now.


It does mean that we'll have to keep up with the far-left old-timers on this network who wish to push their viewpoints. But they are the legacy and the start of Lemmy in some respects, even as the hypergrowth (starting in July 2023) has moderated the community pretty severely.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t see the problem with people having communist views…capitalism isn’t great.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, I don't have much problem with people disagreeing with me. But I'm pretty openly pro-capitalist, though I'm not a dumbass libertarian.

I recognize the need for the "capitalist edge cases" (externalities, monopolies, etc. etc.) that must be regulated and fixed for the system to work. I also recognize that we've failed to regulate externalities (ex: CO2 emissions), and failed to regulate monopolies / anticompetitive behavior (see Google).

So I'm a "capitalism works, but only if we work to make it work" kind of person. I think at the moment, Reddit and many other social networks are falling into the well known and well studied failures of raw capitalism, but somehow today's society has forgotten all the 1910s era solutions that we did (ex: Jungle, etc. etc.) where we regulated the hell out of the shitty behavior and fixed the most blatant problems, for the better of America.

We just gotta do the same thing today.


Overall, I accept that the commies / tankies were here first, and the history of Lemmy makes it clear why that happened.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because there's nothing wrong with being communist, and yet most of western civilization publicly demonizes communism and anyone who espouses communist views. Given the freedom to share an idea without fearing ad hominem attacks, ideas are judged on their merits alone.

See also: Satanism, Atheism, Socialism.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's nothing wrong with communism or being communist, correct. But what we know for fact is that the human species is incompatible with communism, moreso as the population is increased. There is, by nature, traits within that are antagonistic with communism. Communism has failed every time. Our best efforts so far are embracing some communist ideals whilst pandering around with others.

Will we get there? Probably.

Within this era? Hell no. We've only just started evolving an adaption to a shrinking planet and working with neighbours. However, as you know we're still very divided, tribalistic, and prone to taking whatever advantages we can get. This is, after all, how we got to be number 1 and millions of years of evolution can't be stifled or changed in mere generations.

This is the realisation most people have during year 3 or 4 of the college communist phase. You accept the reality of Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm, that human nature is why we can't have nice things...yet. I reckon around 2100–2150, after we've been through some more shit together and wanked another world war out of our system.

Will it last? Probably not lol.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But what we know for fact is that the human species is incompatible with communism

Sorry what? How on earth would such a thing even be established as fact? This is a very bold claim.

Communism has failed every time.

I'm always really interested in what people mean when they say this. Is it that no organisation that has tried has managed to realise the utopia Marx predicted? Is it that they tend to lose wars with the USA? Is it that great suffering has occurred?

What is a system that has not failed? Like it's pretty apparent whatever we're doing now isn't working. We're in a mass extinction, the climate is destabilising, homelessness and sickness exist alongside people that personally own jet aircraft.

Genuinely I would love to know what specifically you mean because I see this a lot and it confuses the hell out of me.

Hopeful aside btw. Lord of the flies basically happened once except the kids all banded together and helped each other because humans are actually extremely pro social. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry what? How on earth would such a thing even be established as fact? This is a very bold claim.

I don't want to sound patronising, but you have access to the entirety of our species' history. It's more about going through it to try find a time where it has worked. Beyond the exception of small communities, in every case I know of it has failed before maturing to a complete enough state—this actually includes some of those small communities too. Unless you're confusing socialism with communism because of all it's socialist traits.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't want to sound patronising, but you have access to the entirety of our species' history

I mean, do you? You think early man was a rugged individualist who pulled himself up by his boot straps?

Homosapiens survived hundreds of thousands of years as a result of collectivism and sharing resources, which are the central tenets of communism. From a historical perspective, the ideas that underpin capitalism - private ownership, the elite controlling the means of production, individuals acting in their own self-interest - came about only very, very recently.

[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've lived all my life under capitalism and I hate it.

I've read Marx, (for real, grab the book and read it!) and I see the dude does have a point.

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I strongly recommend you to read Animal Farm, it's very easy to understand

[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 year ago

oh you are 17. When I was 17 I also was just like you.

[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I recommend actually reading Marx and Lenin, and not fictitious allegories about strawmen

[–] Pollux@leminal.space 0 points 1 year ago

Leaves platform enshittified by capitalism

Complains about people being communists

Bruh

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The first instance of Lemmy is lemmy.ml

The ML stands for Marxist-Leninists

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, its actually the country tld of Mali

[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but that's not why it's being used by those instances.