you guys have cried about your guns for two hundred years in case of this exact situation
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I'd like to try to assuage your fears regarding a protest meeting missiles or drone strikes. Yes, the President can order drone strikes with impunity. It's been that way since the first use of drones, early as the Obama era (maybe earlier, but I was a bit young then).
However, this does not apply to US soil. One of the benefits of state sovereignty is that federal armed forces can't operate on US soil. National guard gets involved, at the governor's request, but they don't have missiles or drones. Police are barbaric, but they also don't have missiles or drones.
So I don't think we'd see much of an escalation in terms of weapons of violence with regards to protests when compared to 2020.
If he declares it an official act, then it’s not illegal. Drone strikes are pretty official.
SCOTUS fucked up super-sized
He can order it all he wants, but that doesn't mean any branch of the military has to actually carry out an obviously illegal order. All it means is that he theoretically "can't" get prosecuted for trying.
Soldiers swear an oath to the Constitution to not commit illegal orders, regardless of who orders them.
The issue is that the president cant issue illegal orders anymore. Since hes the commander in chief of the military, his orders are an "official act," i.e constitutional.
The supreme court has said that the president can order military executions of anyone at all and the military can no longer legally refuse. The above is constitutional, because the people who decide what is constitutional said it is.
SCOTUS still decides what is or isn't an official act.
A huge portion of the military supports him.
And a huge proportion doesn’t.
Dont underestimate how many people join the military at 18 for financial/career reasons and often end up living overseas and meeting people from different backgrounds. It’s not as conservative as people might imagine.
I know that many do not, but I have no idea what the actual proportions would be. Polls are iffy.
Celebrate and hope that he sticks to his word on ending the war in Ukraine (of course I don't trust him or any other politician, but at least there will be a slight hope, as compared to Biden who will 100% continue the slaughter..)
I think the reason I don't follow that idea is that it sounds so similar to Neville Chamberlain's "Peace for our Time". The slaughter would just be put on pause, but would last longer and become more dangerous in 2 years time.
I see a difference between that and the handling of Gaza, which Trump would very much continue supporting Israel on. He wouldn't put American troops on the ground, but he's been saying his peace plan is for Israel to "get the job done". This is very much what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we saw how that played out. I understand there is a belief that stopping support for Israel means the death of Israel, but with BB, he is only accelerating this by continued genocide of Palestinians.
There are idealists (and I will fully admit some anti-semites) who would love to see the end of a Jewish state, and there are those who would look for a two state solution. Trump and BB have made it clear that they are not for a two state solution and are pushing for complete annihilation of the Palestinian people. Trump is not a peacemaker.
The slaughter would just be put on pause, but would last longer and become more dangerous in 2 years time.
This may or may not happen, nobody can predict the future.
That's why I said "there will be a slight chance".
With Biden the war will go on for who knows how much time, hundreds of thousands if not millions more people will die for sure and the chance for peace in the foreseeable future is 0. With Trump it's >0. So I sure hope he will win.
... Palestine/Israel ...
That's a topic for another discussion really.. Both candidates will probably continue that war, but one will also continue the war in Ukraine, while another one promises to finish it.
This may or may not happen, nobody can predict the future.
bullshit. you're just happy to throw ukraine to the wolves.
Nah, I'm just happy that people there might stop being massacred.
Now I know that's not a popular opinion for the last two years, and everybody thinks it's OK and every Ukrainian should die, but I still think killing people who done you no harm is not okay.
Nah, I’m just happy that people there might stop being massacred.
in no way will appeasing putin stop the massacre. bullies don't back down until socked in the face
Negotiations are the only realistic way to end the war, and this is exactly what Trump is saying he will do - force both sides to negotiate.
I don't really care who it is "appeasing", I want people stop being murdered.
if you actually care about people, stopping the russian INVASION is all you should care about.
Your supposed concern is sick.
Eh, how fucked up this is...
People who support war, support killing/wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent people somehow really think they are the good guys, and call those who oppose war, killings and suffering "sick"..
What the actual fuck..
People who support war, support killing/wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent people somehow really think they are the good guys, and call those who oppose war, killings and suffering “sick”…
It's sick to look at a country invaded by it's neighbor and call for the victim to compromise you twisted shitfuck
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about, advocating for saving innocent people's lives is being "twisted shitfuck".
Surely those who say that are the good guys :)