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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Wife was hired in 2014 for a position that was designed to be remote. They changed things in 2017 and tried to make her come into an office 2.5 hours away, 5 days a week. She's legally blind and doesn't drive, a fact they were fully aware of and had no issues with when they hired her. She tried to argue multiple times, and it just ended up going in circles with several managers getting pretty insulting to her. So, she quit, and eventually decided to contact a disability lawyer to inform the ex-employer she would be suing for discrimination, and ADA violations. Because they said some pretty stupid things in emails and voicemails. They ended up offering a nice sized settlement. She found another WFH job that paid 3x what she was making at the old place, with a higher level position and more closely fits her education. She's much happier with how things turned out for her. The position has been on various job sites for over 3 years and doesn't look like it's been filled since she quit, though I can't say that for sure.

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They think we're cattle, but cattle won't eat the rich.

I have always told folks that I managed, that I'm nothing without them. Yea, I have a MBA as well, but man, are alot of those business folks short sighted to a fault. Like lack of empathy and foresight.

If your KPI's are based around having a knowledge worker in a chair in a room, your business should die.

Plain and simple.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cattle will stampede if you piss them off enough.

[–] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago

Cows will also chomp down on meat and little birds if given the opportunity. I grew up on a ranch herbivore doesn’t mean vegan like peeps seem to think it does. If they feel like they’re low on a nutrient and have opportunity they’ll nom on anything. No this isn’t pica either.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

My boss is awesome. He realizes that his job is mostly to make sure we're able to do our jobs effectively. It really feels like I'm working with him, not for him, which is how it should be.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Same. My manager works in another country and he told me that it doesn’t matter where I work from because from his perspective I’m a remote employee wherever I sit.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Same, my manager contacts me a handful of times throughout the year, the rest of the time he trusts I'm doing what I am tasked to do. We had a company wide meeting at head office requiring travel for everyone, the schedule was on my kid's birthday. I conveyed that I would be missing the bday, and they shifted meeting a few days to accommodate. Not all corporations are heartless slave drivers

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

A manager's job is to ensure efficient use of resources among other things, which includes filtering the amount of noise coming down on the workers so that they can focus on doing what they're good at.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good

You should absolutely sue when your rights are violated. It is not ok for an employer to discriminate based on disability.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

I'm sure they don't even understand that it was a discrimination, judging by the fact that they went on and left a lot of evidence of their stupidity

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My sister in law is blind in one eye, but because she has one working eye she has no disability protection as far as I know. She still can't drive because she has no depth perception and it's very dangerous. It's made navigating going to work difficult over the years, often working the same place my brother did so he could drive her. Luckily her current employer works with her and lets her work from home. But a decade ago no one would have dreamed of letting her work from home.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In Canada that would be labelled a legit disability without blinking an eye.

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but here in the US, if you can work even the simplest job you shouldn't qualify for disability! That just encourages people to enjoy communism! These literally half blind mfers need to get off their ass and get to work, the lazy sons of bitches! Don't they love freedom?

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

This is wrong, because you're talking about disability insurance in a comment thread about disability discrimination.

Disability is very broadly defined for the purpose of disability discrimination laws, which is the context of this comment chain.

Disability is defined specific to a person's work skills for the purpose of long term disability insurance (like the US's federally administered Social Security disability insurance). Depending on the program/insurance type, it might require that you can't hold down any meaningful job, caused by a medical condition that lasts longer than a year.

For things like short term disability, the disability is defined specific to that person's preexisting job. Someone who gets an Achilles surgery that prevents them from operating the pedals of a motor vehicle for a few weeks would be "disabled" for the purpose of short term disability insurance if they're a truck driver, and might not even be disabled if their day job is something like being a telemarketer who sits at a desk for their job.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yup, my work pulled the same Bullshit. I can work from home and we all worked from home through COVID... But now suddenly I can't

So, there's been a few times where the power's gone out or something has happened that needs us at a remote location. They send the team home. The rest of the guys willingly go. I stay back and remind them that "gee, sorry. You guys have made it abundantly clear that I can't work from home. All those times I had to take personal time... So yeah, no. I'll just hang out here I guess until everything comes back up 🤷‍♂️"

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

Makes me think that with the hybrid they expect to have the best of both worlds, while in fact it will likely be the opposite.

Besides, with a mandatory fixed amount of days per quarter it gets soooo bullshit, it's not hybrid it's just barely glorified office work

[–] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yup, they started to force me to drive to an office where none of the people I work with are, now that’s the only place I do work for them.

Used to think about and work on projects after hours if I found them interesting or realized a solution I hadn’t thought of. They’ve shown me they don’t care about my comfort, so I don’t feel the need to care about their problems either. The work will be there tomorrow.

They’re so divorced from reality that they think we’d just give up extra hours of our lives for commuting and keep up the same work output. Fuckin nope, going switch to doing the bare minimum it takes to keep you signing checks.

[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My SO was told to travel to office every day of the week, only to sit in zoom meetings because all of their team is elsewhere.

Reaaaal good use of everyone’s time and our non-renewable resources.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget that it's also effectively a pay cut due to the added expenses and time lost in commuting. They should ask if the company is going to at least pay for the maintenance of the car if they aren't going to pay for the time spent commuting.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also the time spent getting ready for office appearances and prepping lunches (or the cost of buying lunches away from home).

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We are required to show up one day a week, but my employer usually buy breakfast and/or lunch. It’s a decent meal, not a shitty half slice of pizza.

None of us dress up. Not the bosses, the lawyer, no one. We sit in the conference room looking like it’s finals weeks. No one cares, and we get more done.

[–] neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

I do something similar, I'm on a dev team of 2 and a while back we started going in once a month for a "planning day" where we spend a couple hours in person planning out our month and spend the rest of the day talking to the teams who actually use our software to get feedback and ideas. At first the owner would take me and the other dev out for lunch but we've turned it into a whole office thing. So usually the whole offices shuts down for about 2 hours for a nice free lunch when we come in. One day a bunch of us went out for mini golf after lunch on the bosses dime. Another month a couple of us played old Xbox games and smoked cigs in the basement while we "brainstormed".

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

“Here’s the invoice for the rental!”

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 4 months ago

It's sad that this is considered malicious at all. Seriously, either working from home is a risk for your company or it isn't, there's nothing in between.

[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It really saddens to me see how many managers out there treat their subordinates terribly, and then act surprised when their subordinates do the same - as though employees are meant to greatful for their terrible treatment

[–] ech@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Does ring true dunnit?

Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes they use "respect" to mean "treating someone like an authority"

and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say "if you won't respect me I won't respect you" and they mean "if you won't treat me like an authority I won't treat you like a person"

and they think they're being fair but they aren't, and it's not okay.

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[–] jeanofthedead@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I can’t believe people have work apps on their personal devices. Delete that shit!

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

No matter what app it is, if employers require one to be used on a smartphone, they are legally obligated to provide you with a work phone. If they refuse, they are legally obligated to provide reimbursement for your personal mobile plan. This can be as simple as $5 or $10 added monthly to a paycheck, or as detailed as actual usage down to the kilobyte.

Even if it's as simple as clocking in and out. If they won't provide a phone or reimburse, they must have some other method to complete the task. Whether it be a computer or paper. Failing that, they are not upholding the law of providing you tools necessary to complete your job. Which means if they terminate you for any of the above under "not able to do your job", it is retaliation for you requiring them to do their job. You could potentially win a suit against them.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I refuse to install any work related software on my phone. Not only because I don’t want to be contacted after hours, but companies often “require” full read/write access on your device, so they can remotely wipe their data if you quit or get fired.

Fuck that.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No modern MDM solution allows a company to access your personal data on BYOD. That's why containerization of work profiles exist. Anything else would be a massive privacy scandal.

Company-owned devices, though, do have that level of access when MDM enrolled.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Intune installs as a device adminstration. I'm not sure how much I'd trust that on my personal device period.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

That's a fair point. Microsoft says that they don't... but, not that they can't. It's especially tricky on iOS.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

They can say what they like.

VERY few companies have been sued for being as big a bunch of lying dinks as Microsoft has.

We need to learn from this shit. Ads on login screens? Privacy issues? Solarwinds sploit letting Russian hackers get to the windows source? How many more red flags are our security groups going to ignore?

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm with you there. My previous employer wanted a bunch of their shit on my phone. I asked if they were supplying me with a work a phone, and they said no, you already have one. I said I do, and it's mine, and I'm not putting anything on it for work because work and home are going to be two different things. They gave me a work phone and then wanted to know why I turned it off in the parking lot before I even got into my car. I'm done working for the day sir.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

wanted to know why I turned it off in the parking lot before I even got into my car. I'm done working for the day sir.

My co-worker locked his in his desk drawer when he went home for the night.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is absolutely correct. Heck, you're free to deny that based on any reasoning, maybe the shoddy icon of the work app doesn't match your phone wallpaper.

The phone is your private property, if an employer requires an app to be installed to do your job, they can provide a phone.

I would also never let corporate IT manage a device, e. g. a laptop connected to my private network at home.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

I work night shifts. My manager one time called me around 2pm to ask me something menial and waking me up (as I was still sleeping for my next shift at 7pm).

So naturally, I called him at 2AM when I was at work... because I had an "urgent" question about a work policy lol. He got the picture, and that shit never happened again

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We have to call their bluff from time to time and remind the management that without us, none of their shit works. When we down tools its not like they can pick them up and get the show back on the road.

[–] Taohumor@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Kinda sad this is what it comes down to that they can't be reasoned with like humans. I'd be looking for a new place to work.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"I can grab any piece of shit off the street and replace you in 20 seconds." Is what most of them think when it comes to meat machine labor like myself. :(

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Individually? Maybe. That's why worker solidarity is important. Let the bastard replace the whole team while you're out front protesting shit pay and long hours.

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