She seemed like a good alternative to Trump and Clinton at the time. But looking back I realize she was just put there by Putin to draw away lesser evil votes from Clinton so Trump could win. Another reason the Democratic Party fucked up by not allowing centrist or leftist candidates like Sanders even when they'd have a way better chance of winning by getting a lot of people to actually vote because they'd have a candidate they like rather than just voting against the other guy.
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I really like Saunders, but big-C capitalists hate him because he actually works for the people. And that's why he'll never be POTUS or VP.
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Right and it's why well never have a left of center candidate at all unless we get money out of politics. Which is not going to happen in the US. We're stuck with moderate conservatives like Biden and Harris as the only option south of fascism.
Good. She can’t help Trump any more than she already has.
while normally I'd be upset if they were running somebody with some kind of real intent to push real issues, its clear Stein is mostly isnt interested in pushing anything but conspiracy theories and russian appeasement.
But if we don't vote 3rd party then democrats will never do the exact things I want, or some shit
Yes, that latter point does describe how well you have summarized other people's arguments. Good luck to you on that one.
Considering there is not a good argument for voting for a third party presidential candidate in this election vs. not voting at all, I don't think the summary matters.
I'll be voting solid blue regardless, but the "exact things I want" in regards to Democrats is not helping a genocide, because I thought that was a bar even they could pass.
I'm not surprised they failed even that, but it does radicalize me further and solidify my position that all liberals that call themselves leftists out of rampant ignorance can fuck off forever.
And that will definitely change by voting 3rd party Ina presidential election!!
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Same time next Presidential election, Jill?
I mean she could use the time between to build local support for the Green Party in lots of places. I guess that isn't what she's after.
And God forbid they spend any money on local elections where they can affect things like I don't know actual green party issues.
Sure usually hangs out in Russia between elections, right?
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Oh dear, that’s going to make her path to an electoral college victory harder, isn’t it.
She has 49 other states she can fail to win in...
but still siphon enough votes to hand trump the whitehouse
I feel like she isn't on the ballot in a large number of states. I feel like basic research would reveal this fact. I feel like she isn't going to siphon many votes away from Harris. I know for sure that people want to be able to blame her if Harris loses.
She doesnt need to pull that many votes from the Dems, the race is on a knife edge pretty much everywhere.
She's also on the ballot in 39 states, which includes all of the battle ground states except nevada
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Jill Stein is unqualified to be president and generally has no idea what she is talking about.
More's the pity, she can't run for president of Russia either.
Why can’t these candidates file proper forms? What the hell is so difficult about that?
There are a miniscule number of presidential candidates running in a given year, so I assume that the UX on the process isn't very optimized.
running for president is literally all she does. she should be able to speedrun this by now.
but she's done this like 3 times already.
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The petition forms were faulty. Be nice if we were told what was wrong with them
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Again.... I might just go back too being a Dem. I tried 3rd party but, this stuff keeps happing. I like the ideals just no was too do it from a third party way for the time being. Gotta change from with in I guess.
Good on you! Please still get involved in changing the system and supporting third parties, but, for now, that work is most effective in local elections and between the general elections. That, and voting in the D or R primaries to vote out incumbents or to select a party candidate who's more in line with your priorities.
Spend energy pushing for alternative voting methods like ranked choice, approval, or STAR voting. Those have seen success up to state levels.
I'm in FL, so the alternative voting methods is mostly illegal, and to undo it is unlikely for a little while (20 or 30 years).
Oy. Good old party of freedom...
Although it only bans ranked choice voting so at the very least approval voting would be an option. The STAR method might be iffy.
Regardless, changing local voting methods is much more likely than a 3rd party candidate getting elected to the presidency with no candidates at the local level.
Not from within, from underneath. You effect change at the lower levels. Political change comes from the ground up. That's why Jill Stein is so frustrating cuz she takes all the money and attention that could be spent somewhere useful and instead spends it on a boondoggle for her own personal gain.
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