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This is more of me trying to understand how people imagine things, as I almost certainly have Aphantasia and didn't realize until recently... If this is against community rules, please do let me know.

The original thought experiment was from the Aphantasia subreddit. Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aphantasia/comments/g1e6bl/ball_on_a_table_visualization_experiment_2/

Thought experiment begins below.


Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?

Once you're done with the above, click to review the test questions:

  • What color was the ball?
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
  • What did they look like?
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?


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[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I find it very interesting that the vast majority of people saw a red ball. I did too.

::: spoiler

  1. red
  2. Indeterminate, mostly just an arm
  3. shoulder-length brown hair, androgenous body, hidden face
  4. Like a rubber bouncy ball you'd get in a party bag
  5. wooden, square

Mostly I already knew, but it felt like things were "filling in" as I tried to "remember" the image to answer the questions, especially around the person.

:::

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Purple-ish

Male? Maybe?

Too abstract I more imagined an arm more than a whole person

Baseballish

Square, I dunno it was also purple. I get very like, early computer animation type vibes from the whole scene. "Ball" and "table" without any context just leaves everything kinda blank.

I think I already knew. Maybe the gender one was a stretch.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I can visualize things in my mind, but it's not... Clear? Like it's not as vivid as seeing with my actual eyes. It's like seeing images as reflections on tinted glass. Dark, murky. Muted colors. There is also an emphasis with text. I think of a ball. I imagine a red ball with the text "Ball" above or below it.

In the scenario given, I see a dark image of a red ball on a wooden table. A hand not attached to a person pushes the ball. The ball rolls across the table and falls off. There is text below describing the situation.

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It's important to know if the text was displayed in comic sans or not.

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 10 hours ago

Times New Roman.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 7 points 10 hours ago
  1. The ball was red.
  2. I have no idea.
  3. I have no idea.
  4. Like, maybe softball sized? A little bigger? I'm not sure.
  5. Square. It was made of brown.
[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

The ball is black, the table is black, the human is black. They're all just blobs I tell myself exist so I feel normal.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 0 points 4 hours ago

Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it)

I ignored this portion of the instruction because it was unnecessary to answer the question of what might happen to the ball if it were pushed by someone. I didn't visualize anything until moving on to the spoiler questions. Even then, my brain mostly went "nah, we'd just be making up something to fill in details irrelevant to the question, don't waste the energy".

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Very interesting!

My resultsThe ball was about the size of a baseball, and the table was square, but I couldn't answer any of the other questions without just making something up when they were asked.

[–] GeorgeGR@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Exact same.

  • The ball was red and smooth and uniform and shaded like it had been painted there or drawn with colored pencil.
  • the gender of the person was indeterminate, perhaps leaning female
  • they did not have a definite look to describe, it was more a concept of a person. They were a featureless, fuzzy, void-white silhouette adorned only by a similarly featureless light blue t-shirt, black pants and black hair, all so ill-defined it was as if they they had been hastily cut from craft paper and slapped over top the glowing form. Like the color scheme of the fitness boxing mascot, but the more simplified form of South Park Canadians, and more amorphous.
  • the ball was slightly larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball
  • the table was rectangular, of beige ‘wood’ with a light grain, and very sharp edges. It looked distinctly like it was out of a low poly video game.

Important question: The ball and table were distinct and known but oddly not “real-life”. The person was very indistinct and the gender is merely speculation. The edges defining their arms and hands became more defined as they approached and interacted with the ball. The color and form of the clothing and hair manifested then too.

Interestingly, I “know” the visualization took place in my kitchen, in an orientation different than my actual kitchen table. I saw the light from the windows Illuminate the table and the ball, and I could tell where I was in the space watching it happen, but the kitchen wasn’t there and neither was I. The table, ball and person appeared alone in a murky dark void.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)
  • The ball was red
  • The person was of indeterminate gender, I only really saw their arm
  • They were wearing a blue button up over a white shirt
  • The ball is about the size of an orange, and it rolled forwards
  • The table was made of wood

I had to picture it again to get the shirt color but not the rest. I can say that the background was dark, almost like a dimly lit billiards hall, and there was a light shining on the ball

Table is wooden with a reddish brown stain and a glossy finish. The ball I picture is red rubber about the size of a grapefruit. "someone walks up to the table" I see a caucasian woman in her 30s with blonde hair in slacks, a long sleeve shirt and a sweater vest, she has slightly long nails. She pushes the ball with a flick of her fingers, it bounces/skips a couple times and then rolls off the end of the table. Sounds kind of like a tennis ball hitting the carpet, it bounces across the room, hits the baseboard on an adjacent wall and comes to a stop.

Everything above I wrote before even opening the follow-up questions. About the only thing I didn't think to mention is the table is a solid top rectangular dining table about 6 by 3 feet.

The "camera angles" might be slightly weird, at first I see the ball from a point of view about an inch off the table, then as it rolls off the table I "see" from my normal standing height but I only hear the ball bounce because the table is in the way, and I see it hit the wall and come to a stop from about kneeling height.

I see things photorealistically but I don't have peripheral vision. The way my mind parsed the sentence "someone walks up to the table and gives the ball a push" I processed "pushes the ball" first and I saw a woman's hand reach into my field of view to push the ball, then I processed "walks up to the table" and my field of view turned to look at her.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

Really interesting reading your follow up post in here. It's so incredible to hear about how differently people can think.

I imagined the scene in detail, but to pay attention to all the details I had to think back to it and examine each part of what I imagined, if that makes any sense.

I pictured a side camera angle with a white metal table and a light blue wall behind. The ball was a soccer ball, and it was pushed by a woman's hand wearing a gray knit sweater. Only the hand and forearm are "in frame". Her arm comes in from the right side and pushes the ball to the left, rolling it across the table.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Neat!

spoiler

  • Red. It was rubber.
  • Male.
  • Tall, thin. I don't remember a face, but he was wearing an old-fashioned formal shirt and sport jacket. The cuff of the shirt was unbuttoned and folded back. He also wore a wide-brimmed black hat. (I'm currently watching an episode of Hell on Wheels which probably influenced that.)
  • Large for an apple, small for a canteloupe.
  • Square, dinner-table-hieight. Dark-stained wood. I'm no woodworker, so I wouldn't know what kind of wood it was, but I've got a couple of bookcases of the same wood and staining.

Aside from that, I can say it took place in an old cabin and in the background, I saw an open doorway to a... foyer? The door to the outside was open. It was very sunny. And I saw green grass outside.

And, I knew all those things before I got to the questions. I just had to consult/replay the scene in my head to get all the answers.

Seems fair to say I don't have aphantasia.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

SpoilerColorless. Genderless. The forbidden lovechild of Bongo Bongo and Turnip Head. Ping Pong sized. Rounded wooden table.

Visualizing takes work so generally only what's needed is there. But sometimes the darker thoughts escape out from the dungeon.

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

So my ball was the ball from toy story on a round wooden kitchen table. Probably the table from my childhood home. So the ball is yellow with a blue stripe and a big red star. It has shading and a shadow. I switched it out for a golf ball, but that didn't seem right, so back to the bouncy ball from toy story, bigger than a baseball, smaller than a kickball. Because it's the ball from toy story, the young man pushing it is toy story animation style. I tried switching him out for a regular human, but it just seemed wrong so I couldn't. He goes with the ball.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago
[–] aramis87@fedia.io 2 points 8 hours ago

Blue. Didn't really envision a person, just the hand, didn't notice the potential sex. It was a billiard ball on a pool table. The ball kinda rolled gently across the table at an angle, hit the side, and slowly rolled back before stopping.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It was a billiards/pool ball, but no idea which one as I just associate balls on tables with playing pool.

No idea on gender, formless concept.

No idea on looks, just a concept.

Whatever size a pool ball is, 2-3 inches? Just a concept though.

It is a pool table with green felt and a raised edge and six pockets because that is what a pool table is. Can't really see it. Just aware of it's general properties and how the felt and wood feels.

Eveey detail is based ona pool tabke and ball because my first thought about balls on tables is playing pool. Without the table detail I wouldn't have anything at all to work with.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Ball color and size, and table shape and color were the only things I distinctly pictured, and the ball being deformed when pushed. Everything else was still sort of abstracted and not specifically visualized, and the table color changed to improve the contrast as I imagined the scene. If I stop and really focus on the scene I think I would fill in more specific details but at my pace of reading that's as far as it went. I think unless I have a reason to do otherwise I tend to visualize the minimum necessary.

[–] young_broccoli@fedia.io 3 points 9 hours ago

spoiler-titleAm I the only one who imagined things that they interact with frecuently?

  1. The ball is green and its the one I got for my cat.
  2. Female, she gently pushed it with one finger
  3. It was my mom (idk why)
  4. About the size of a lemon.
  5. I just Imagined my table. Medium sized, thick with fake wood vinyl or something. I even imagined the mess that is on it.

I alredy knew, as I said, I imagined things I already know. And the ball bounced like 4 times before rolling out of the door.

What does it mean? lol

Edit: Added the spoiler thing. Quite interesting to read others replies.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago
  • What color was the ball? Blue
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? Male
  • What did they look like? Skinny, pants, dress shirt
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? Blue, smooth, baseball sized
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Around 2ft square, wooden, light color, four square legs

All of this was built in my head with each part of the prompt. Pretty sure I don't have aphantasia.

Maybe the ball was light blue, I smaller than a baseball maybe standard stressball sized?

I didn't exact gender the person but did kinda imagine dude-hands because I was looking at my phone with my hands holding it. And I just imagined maybe a wood table, like a dinner table.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I’ve never head of this test before now. Spoiler tags to help others avoid the answers before they take the test.

Tap for spoiler

The ball was somehow chrome but not reflective, and bigger than a large marble. The table was a flat plane with no features. The person pushing the table had no features. There were no other features within this thought space

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

OK today I learned I may have aphantasia.

It suffices to say, the follow up questions were bizarre to me.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago

Red No gender No appearance No size The table was the same color as our dining table, but that was the only property it had.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)
  • What color was the ball? - Red rubber, like an old school dodgeball.
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? - Unknown, all I saw was a hand and the sleeve of a white dress shirt with the cuff rolled up.
  • What did they look like? As above.
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? About the size of a softball. Bigger than a baseball, smaller than a basketball.
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Square natural wooden table.

Already knew.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

spoilerI feel like I started to picture something more specific, but as soon as it asked what happens next I deliberately cleared the details from my mind and re-imagined it as generically as possible so my prediction wouldn’t be biased by anything not explicitly stated.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I don't have aphantasia, but a rather vivid imagination sometimes. Also, a lot of my answers were indirectly influenced by my immediate surroundings:

  • What color was the ball? - Red
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? - Male
  • What did they look like? - I only imagined seeing the person up to the waist, approaching the table and giving a push to the ball. I pictured him with social attire.
  • What size is the ball? - Tennis ball, but very smooth. It was smack dab in the middle of the table, too.
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? - Round glass.

A question for those of you who have, or suspect you have aphantasia, how are your dreams like? Can you imagine and "hear" sounds?

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I recall dreams the same way as I recall real events. There are no actual images or sounds that I can "see" or "hear" in my mind as I think back on the events, but I know I've seen and heard those things. So it's difficult to answer the question. Did I "see" things in my sleep, but remember them only as ideas, or were they just ideas in the dream too? I tend to think it was the former.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

how are your dreams like

Pretty sure I dream normally. Can't discern faces but I know I can see things.

Can you imagine and "hear" sounds?

Basically how I function. If I'm thinking of a song I know decently well or heard recently it's like a live show I can control. Just with the lights off.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago

Well maybe I'm not all that aphantasiac, I immediately came up with a woman pushing a 9-ball on a green billiards table

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

My answers:

  • What color was the ball? Red
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball?: seen from the bust, but a masculine physique
  • What did they look like?: Grey shirt, light skinned, clean nails, hands looks slightly worn.
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?: Tennis ball size. Smooth and has a good bounce, but sounds solid.
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Rectangle. Wooden. Smooth, but had a knot in it.

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?

I already knew? . I had to visualize it first to answer any questions.


[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 hours ago

I fantasized all the details as they were asked in the prompt, but didn’t give an identity to the ball-pusher until the quiz asked for it.

[–] H1jAcK@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

I already had my answers before looking through the questions. Red, no gender, mostly a lab coat, tennis ball sized, waist-high wooden rectangular table.

[–] aeki@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 hours ago

All these details were present from only reading the title:

A very large and heavy marble that you'd need to pick up with both hands to hold. A man was already there keeping a hand on the marble, to prevent it from rolling on the wooden table. The table is simple, square and has 4 legs. I know what the marble would sound like if it were to roll, bumping over the little imperfections. This is happening indoors, but there's some natural light coming through. The table is relatively close to the edge of a room but you can still approach the table from all sides. The room is mostly undefined besides that. The man is not too detailed, I have a vague awareness of what he is like, but more like a gestalt of him.

After reading the prompt: The man rolled the ball with a soft push. It produced the expected sound and then he stopped it again before it fell. I felt anxiety when the ball rolled, and was relieved when it was stopped. I want to put it on soft cloth so that we can stop worrying about it rolling off the table. There's soft cloth nearby, and it's purple felt.

I have hyperfantasia.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The ball was white/light gray. It has the surface texture of plaster of Paris, but it is somewhat lighter than would be appropriate for its canteloupe-like size.

I don't think I actually pictured a whole person as pushing the ball, more likely it was a disembodied hand or the general sensation of pushing it myself.

I remember being specifically intrigued that I pictured the ball rolling back towards the center of the table and pondering why I had chosen the table to be slightly concave. I don't remember more attributes of the table, but I have the feeling that has more to do with inattention to its details rather than not picturing them at the time.

I imagine that, based on the framing of the story, my interpretation was to picture the sphere as a literal entity, but the person as the "concept of a push"... The table probably lied somewhere in the middle.

[–] Mishmash2000@lemmy.nz 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I've always found this subject fascinating. Why are we all so different in this regards? What's going or not going on up there? Anyway, this is my result…

Tap for spoilerI imagined a bright red ball, like a shiny red plasticy looking ball

The "person" pushing the ball was just a disembodied arm, the ball rolled and bounced around the pool table much as a pool ball would

The arm was pretty much my arm. I didn't bother to visualise the person, instead concentrating on the interaction with the ball.

The ball was larger than a pool ball, maybe softball sized or even slightly bigger

The table was basically a pool table, green felt, but smaller or maybe the ball was just much bigger

All this I knew from my visualisation but when answering the questions I probably solidified my thoughts a bit. When viewing things they are constantly changing or shifting to match new information/ideas/concepts of what's there. I don't really see the whole scene at once easily, instead focusing in on different aspects of it. For example if I'm concentrating on the red, shiny ball then the table is just a green plane/background.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

The ball was pale, not any color specific, something life a cream color. The person was nongendered, just a hand extending from a black suit with no determining orientation. They were a suit below the shoulder to above the knee, no other visible details past the table. The ball is maybe baseball sized, just big enough to comfortably fit the hand. The table is my current dining room table, an antique drop leaf table. This detail was the oddest to reconsider because until now I've been imagining either my previous table or the coffee table from my childhood, I don't normally decorate the thought space.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)
  1. The ball I imagined was made of polished metal and reflected its environment.

  2. A man.

  3. I did not imagine a face. But he was wearing a dark blue business suit with a red striped tie. A watch was on the wrist of the hand that pushed the ball.

  4. About the size of a large orange.

  5. It was a smaller rectangular table made of a dark, varnished wood.

I'm an artist. I often tend to visualise what I want to draw quite well.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago
[–] Corno@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

spoilerThe ball, a red ping pong ball of maybe 1.5-2 inches diameter, is on a square, concave white, glazed ceramic plate that is on a rectangular matte white table that is plastic. I have no idea why the ball is on a plate but that's how it is when I imagine it for some reason. The entire room is white with a door on the wall that I am looking towards. The door slowly opens, and it is me (I'm a girl)! I look exactly like I do when I look at myself in photos. When I push the ball with my hand, it gets pushed off of the plate and lands on the table. It rolls toward the end of the table and bounces on the floor twice, making a noise you'd expect a ping pong ball to make when it collides with hard flooring. The whole scene looks like how a YouTube video of it being physically acted out would look like.

I already knew after I read the prompt. It was like a little YouTube video playing in my head! 😃

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