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Future Motion, the maker of the Onewheel electric skateboard, is recalling every one of them, including 300,000 Onewheel self-balancing vehicles in the US. Alongside the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the company now seeks to remedy the products after four known death cases — three without a helmet — between 2019 and 2021.

The recall comes a year after Future Motion took issue with the CPSC’s calls for recall and claimed that it tested and found nothing wrong with the Onewheels. At the time, the company issued a press release in objection to the CPSC and called the agency’s statements “unjustified and alarmist.”

Now Future Motion is moving forward with a voluntary recall it chose not to do almost a year earlier. The company is asking owners to stop using their Onewheels until they take appropriate action. For the newer Onewheel GT, Onewheel Pint X, Onewheel Pint, and Onewheel Plus XR, a software update with a new warning system is the remedy.

For early adopters, however, the CPSC and Future Motion are telling owners to stop using and discard the original Onewheel and Onewheel Plus. We asked Onewheel chief evangelist Jack Mudd in an email how many of the original units are affected, but Mudd refused to answer. Mudd also wouldn’t tell us why the company claimed there were no issues and publicly resisted issuing a recall back in 2022.

Mudd did say that the software update for the other models is rolling out worldwide, not just in the US.

Some crashes occurred due to Onewheel skateboards malfunctioning after being pushed to certain limits. The Onewheel GT, Onewheel Pint X, Onewheel Pint, and Onewheel Plus XR will receive a firmware update that will add a new warning “Haptic Buzz” feedback that riders can feel and hear when the vehicle enters an error state, is low on battery, or is nearing its limits and needs to slow down.

“This update is the culmination of months of work with the CPSC,” reads the company’s recall website. Last November, it called the CPSC’s warning about Onewheels “misleading” but stated it would “work to enhance the CPSC’s understanding of self-balancing vehicle technology and seek to collaborate with the agency to enhance rider safety.”

To install the update, owners must connect their Onewheels to the accompanying app and run a firmware update — the process is fully explained in a new video.

For early adopters, however, owners can receive a “pro-rated credit of $100 to the purchase of a new board,” according to Mudd. The credit will only be issued after owners confirm that they have disposed of the old model.

Alongside Future Motion’s blink on the decision to recall Onewheel, the company shared a new video on YouTube highlighting the new Haptic Buzz feature as well as best practices when riding. “We’ve been working closely with the CPSC for over a year in order to develop this new safety feature,” Mudd says in the video. He adds that ignoring pushback or Haptic Buzz “can result in serious injury or death.” It took engineers a while to whip up Haptic Buzz; perhaps it’s something that would not have been ready in a timely fashion after CPSC’s first whistle last year.

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[–] YoungLiars@aussie.zone 119 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Loose definition of a recall. Newer models are getting a software update. Older models are told to be thrown in the bin and get $100 credits to buy a new one

For early adopters, however, the CPSC and Future Motion are telling owners to stop using and discard the original Onewheel and Onewheel Plus.

For early adopters, however, owners can receive a “pro-rated credit of $100 to the purchase of a new board,” according to Mudd. The credit will only be issued after owners confirm that they have disposed of the old model.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean car recalls often don't have the cars go fully back to the manufacturer, just to a dealer to have the part fixed or firmware updated.

For XR users they are flat out saying not to use your board until the firmware comes out, and for everyone else they're saying not to use them until you can update the firmware.

Honestly it's a little shady that the CPSC let them avoid issuing a recall until a firmware update was ready, but it sounds like they would have forced them to fully recall all models if they hadn't been able to come up with haptic feedback.

[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Aren't the early models the only ones that can actually be modified and repaired using consumer available parts? Seems kind of fishy to me that those are the only ones that are being binned.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

Someone discovered they can gain repeat customers if they issued a "recall" and offered a money tree seed to those who have been the longest holdouts on updating.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Our salesmen got hurt on one of those last weekend.

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Can't wait to see Rossmann's video on this one. Especially the part about how their idea of a recall is to tell people to throw away their device and buy a new one.

Edit-- https://youtu.be/Q_Mk-5XkSmY

[–] necrophagist@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same lol I'll have the popcorn ready

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Four deaths per 300,000 boards? Hoo-boy! Wait until the CPSC hears about cars!

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Cars and bikes would be banned if they were invented today.

We are incredibly tolerant of dangers that we are already familiar with.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's a lot of things that wouldn't fly if they were invented today. Like could imagine how controversial libraries would be?

It would be shunned as socialism, and major publishers of books and DVDs would sue whoever came up with the concept into oblivion.

I mean shit look with how much contempt IP holders have against archive.org for trying to make sure nothing becomes lost media

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What about motorcycles? Surely they would be okay.

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[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It's really only one death since 3 idiots weren't wearing helmets.

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[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The difference as far as I could tell from the text would be that car accidents are usually the users fault while this is attributed to the products failure or bad usability.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for that link, very interesting. I didnt cite the 94% though, I didnt even know about that statistic. Also, even if it isnt 94%, its probably close to that. Even if its just half of that, you cant blame the other half directly on the cars malfunction, those accidents are probably caused by many factors. So like I was saying, in this case the fault seems to lie entirely with the product.

Yup, I'm not here to argue with you, but just share that information. The fact that other countries have different safety standards for vehicles and better road designs, and have decreased fatalities dramatically, points to design as a stronger factor than driver error. (And I'd argue that driver error should be mitigated by design, not just waved off as a personal, moral failure.) What's really odd to me is the very different societal response, and different approach by different regulatory agencies, to design flaws that have killed a handful of people versus design flaws that kill tens of thousands annually.

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[–] fosho@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

many interesting conversations here and looks like a lot of folks who ride these often without issue.

I'm a motorized skateboarder for well over 15 years now. I've ridden one wheels a few times and while they are intuitive and versatile they are also the most dangerous option in an already very dangerous category. it's anecdotal, but all the worst injuries I've directly and indirectly confirmed were all from riding one wheels. I have lived on the edge and done plenty of dangerous things but owning a one wheel will never be one of them. the number of times I've had to be very nimble very quick would not have been possible on a one wheel. they simply lack the quick stability required to safely jump off from either foot and run out in any direction.

all that to say I'm not surprised that they have done some version of a recall and I'm wondering how they can legally sell them at all. yes, they are impressive vehicles and can be used relatively safely. but they are absolutely objectively more dangerous than 4 wheels.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'd honestly just buy an electric 🛴 scooter first. A one wheel seems like a solution in search of a problem to me. But I've never been a skateboard guy.

What's the benefit of a one wheel over a four wheel skateboard?

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[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

Sounds like they are pushing a max speed limit update and the old ones cant be updated.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Who would have thought that the device that looks like a skateboard fucked a pogo ball might not be designed with user safety in mind?

[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've had an XR for years and never had any issues. People push these things to the limit and don't understand the float life.

If you want to go fast don't get a onewheel, you'll eat shit

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, they literally failed or never took Intro To Engineering Safety / Ethics.

It is flat out irresponsible to sell a board with a fine line between normal operation and critical failure with an anemic, easy to miss warning system, that straight up cannot kick in in some failure situations or will exacerbate the problem.

They were irresponsible morons for not including an audible alarm initially, and they were wreckless and greedy assholes for having the capability of haptic feedback but never enabling it.

As someone who has to read multiple engineering safety textbooks, this is literal textbook bad engineering and there's a reason the CPSC isn't going after EUC makers who included alarms on every single model.

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I would still put blame on the dummies who ride these things inappropriately. I see people riding these without any protection and I cringe. I have eaten shit sooo many times on my onewheel that I cant even imagine why someone would even risk it.

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[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My understanding of Onewheel was that it's for going slower over more rugged terrain (backyard type, not mountain trail) while others were for flatter, paved roads and trails you can go fast on.

It seems to me that people just don't understand how self-balancing systems work.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is my impression as well. Part of this problem is surely an operator error issue, combined with the inherent way these self balancing machines work. Sure, warnings and limiters can be added in software but this can never actually supersede the laws of physics. Where there's a will to fuck up, someone will find it. And also, like, wear a fuckin' helmet.

So, if you ride your Onewheel to the absolute top end of its motor's maximum speed such that it has no reserve power left with which to balance you, well, you can potentially eat shit. But, try flying down a big hill on a regular bicycle and needing to come to a stop, so you grab both brake levers as hard as you can. Guess what happens if you do that? So, where's my recall on every single bicycle ever manufactured in the world, ever, due to the "design flaw" of having to obey physics? (Yes, I am aware fancypants mountain bikes with hydraulic brakes can now be had with ABS, if you feel like paying for it. This, perhaps, serves even more to drive home my point that no one has seen fit to recall or ban the bikes that don't have this feature, despite it now existing.)

Part of this maybe a flaw in the product design, but another part of it is our perspective of the "acceptable" risks inherent in a particular design shifting dramatically over time, in inconsistent ways.

I mean, if there's not enough power left over to power the safety systems, then it's an engineering failure, not operator error.

[–] SariEverna@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think with your bikes example, one of the factors is also that riding a bike is considered one of those fundamental skills in our society. You learn it early and internalize the rules of the machine. When bikes were knew, we absolutely had more tolerance for risk, so we didn't really care that people were getting hurt learning the ropes, and now that it's a staple we take for granted that people will be guided early on by more experienced riders. That's just not the case for something new. There isn't the widespread understanding of the device or any early training. It also helps that a bike is mechanical, so it's a bit easier to predict than something electronic, and of course the difference in safety standards now vs when bikes were new. So yeah, if bikes were just becoming a thing, we probably would feel different about their level of safety.

But I agree that anyone who wouldn't wear a helmet on one of these probably doesn't have much to protect up there anyway or is a literal child.

[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think you hit the nail on the head.

The types of biking are very well rooted in modern first world societies, especially in the US. Granted, I work with bikes, so I'm biased, take that into consideration with what I say.

MOUNTAIN biking is for? Mountains. Rugged terrain. ROAD biking is? For roads. Shocker, I know.

"hybrids" are still relatively new to a lot of people, and unfortunately standardization isn't everywhere, but in general most people understand it as "I can go off road but I can't go on a mountain trail"

This self balancing stuff? Still VERY new to many many people.

I do agree that a recall was probably in their best interest, as lawsuits are inevitable. Yes, a safety feature SHOULD have made it very loud and clear that you are reaching the ABSOLUTE limit and to go faster means INJURY AT BEST. Make the physical limitation higher than the software limitations, and have the safety features have a failsafe so it doesn't just cut you off, thus faceplanting you anyway.

It could have been avoided with more education on the fundamentals of the devices and how they function. It could have been avoided with different/better safety features.

One thing is for sure, it's a lot easier for information to spread now, so if your product has a blind spot where "less education" could lead to deaths, you can be damn sure everyone will know about it, and it won't be just an urban legend you heard from your father's sisters' former roommate.

Err on the side of caution, go with the extra safety features. There's a reason chainsaw warnings say don't start it while holding the blade.

And that is fine

But this is something you buy, skim the instruction manual to figure out how to charge it, and then use it. It has the same problem that a lot of the electric scooter rentals had where people just do not know what they are using.

Mountain biking more or less got away with it because of a VERY strong marketing campaign that has done a good job of teaching people "do not take a road bike off road"

But this is something that can be solved electronically. If the suspension is getting a heavy workout that means you are likely on harsh terrain and you it should fairly rapidly decelerate to a much lower max speed. And only gradually accelerate to max speed if terrain has been fairly smooth for X meters.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

n=1 isn't exactly how this works....

I've had an XR and have had 2 falls from it teetering out. I was going 17mph and hit a slight incline, it dropped me like a rock. The other time I left at 100% and it died after 2 miles I felt the pushback and then it immediately sent me to the ground and then it died, at only 12mph.

Neither case is acceptable, I wasn't exactly pushing it to it's limits either.

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[–] Mafflez@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago

No you stupid dicks maybe give them a new version after they return their originals and replace them.

[–] Eww@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is to stop everyone who has Re-Wheeled their boards. They did win a cease and desist to have the Re-Wheel software removed from the web by the author, but there are versions that still exist. I rewheeled a pint recently, and if I update that board, it will loose the modifications. FM is just up to their usual game of locking down their boards so folks can't mess with them. I'll be getting a Float Wheel when my XR finally dies.

[–] TitanLaGrange@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Re-Wheeled their boards.

What does that do?

[–] Eww@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

For thr pint, I was able to set the pushback to XR style so the board top speed is much higher.

[–] ago@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's going to be deaths for everything.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The people who use them won't be sending them back, I know for example Adam Savage has one and he has professed his love for it like many other microEV users have.

But I'm sure there will be a lot of dusty ones sent back from those who didn't end up using theirs a lot.

Personally I hate the current state of microEV, it's held back hard and combated by the government very effectively in some places.

I've wanted to dump $2-3k on a good one, but they're neutered here in Norway. To get a proper engine to get up hills you'd be spending more than the price of a moped to go slower than cyclists, unless you choose to break the law.

[–] thonofpy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do we know if the deaths were related to the technical issues?

[–] roboticide@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Consumer Protection says the boards would fail to maintain balance and crash, if "limits" were exceeded. I'm guessing speed limits.

So the new models get a firmware update to prevent that/provide warning if you're approaching such a limit. The old models, which are more easily modded and perhaps unable to send haptic feedback, get tossed.

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[–] Rawdogg@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Just looking at this pic it looks like a lace or something going in that exposed wheel looks lethal, I've never used one but it looks sketchy

[–] Spasmolytic@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've never understood what gap these things fill that isn't better filled by a bike. They look really fun, but as soon as I think seriously about it I can't see why I wouldn't want the exercise and mobility of walking or biking, and what I can't do with those is satisfied by my car.

Not trying to shit on it, just musing.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

It's more fun and easier to store

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Skateboard/last mile niche. You can pick up and hold them with one hand when on mass transit, then zip to your destination easily.

[–] Spasmolytic@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it were a lot cheaper I might be down. Saw a guy cruising along the beach near the water in Oregon and that looked really nice.

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