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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 163 points 3 weeks ago

Can you even imagine how happy putin is with his bitch?

[–] EndOfLine@lemm.ee 131 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I am starting to think about that Trump just learned what a tariff is during this election cycle. Still has no idea how they work, what their purpose is, when they should be used, nor how they impact local and global economies but, gosh darn it, if he isn't excited to show off his new knowledge.

Maybe if they have him write out the word "TARRIF" on a piece of paper and put that paper on the white house fridge, he can be proud of it everyday and be able to move on to his next vocabulary word.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 65 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember, when he uses the "nobody knew this" that actually means he didn't know it. And he says it a lot.

[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because in his mind

He is the only person with any value

Everyone else is a lamb to the slaughter unless he finds them useful.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't know about "with any value". I think he just thinks he's the only person. And the other people are...something else. Like people, but not.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago

Relearned, maybe?

He was also really big on putting tariffs on everything out of China in the 2016 election cycle.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 97 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

It's like he's trying to kill the US dollar. Nobody who was actually trying to protect our currency would be making these moves.

It's not a shocker why all the cryptobros are behind him either, because that's their goal, too.

But I mean god damn it is really hard to exaggerate how stupid and easily manipulated Trump is.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago

Crypto Bros like him because they don't want to have to pay taxes or to stop scamming people

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No "like", he is. Russia and China want to devalue the dollar and replace it as the world currency.

Obviously Russia is unlikely to achieve that, but I'm sure China encourages the use of RMB in their global operations, like in their belt and road projects.

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[–] card797@champserver.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The fiat currency cannot be discussed in public. It's mystery maintains it's real value.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 90 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

So trump is going to start a trade war with the entire world now?

What is the next word after "great" when talking about economic depressions?

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Depression bigly

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Epic, grand, massive, fucked ?

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Fantastic Depression :tm:

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

How about we keep "Great" and change Depression to Devastation?

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 73 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The bizarre Republican project of burning America to the ground, because they love it so gosh darn much, continues apace.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

They falsely assume everyone else loves and covets it as much as they do.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

For those with enough wealth, it's a win-win. Either the dollar stays strong and you continue to trade assets/stocks/bonds accordingly, or it craters and you invest in cost-competitive labor on par with India and China.

In the latter case, while foreign goods are priced out of reach, a booming manufacturing sector will come in and "save the day" in states with poor worker protections/rights. The real magic trick is making sure you (the 1%) are in the room when the decisions are made to hold or fold before the general public knows anything about it.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 65 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If a trading bloc abandons the USD, that means they are less interested in trading with the US. Slapping a tariff in them means that they will be even less interested.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 61 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Why do I get the feeling Trump doesn't know that tariffs can go higher than 100%? Nobody tell him.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 weeks ago

I think in his head, 100% tariffs mean that other countries give the USA goods for free, or something like that.

No he's thrown 2000% tariffs around at least once in the last few months. Fortunately for all involved he seems to have stopped doing that and switched to something a tiny bit less stupid.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This either means the US economy will suffer .... or America will fight back violently to force others to follow their rules

Either way, someone, or everyone is going to suffer

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

Por que no los dos?

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago (27 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the world needs a neutral reserve currency, not one issued and controlled by whatever country happens to be the dominant superpower.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like this doesn't solve much of the things you think it would.

Also, capitalists will never agree to this. They like having their own currencies cause they can manipulate them.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Who would issue it? What would it be backed by? Gold is globally valued due to its material value, but good luck getting your local coffee place to take it.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Congratulations, you've stumbled upon the one place where cryptobros would have a point if they weren't mostly trying to make their "currencies" be investments rather than actual currencies.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It would have to be issued by some world central bank.

Money doesn't need to be backed by anything, necessarily. Or, I guess you could say money is "backed" by all the goods and services available to purchase.

[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not trying to be a prick; here for discussion. Wherrrree do we actually put central bank? I guess that maybe matters less than staffing the thing?? Obviously not an easy thing to do overnight but man we'd need to have like, serious cooperation and transparency to do that proper. Maybe not impossible though!

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Just using the Euro would be a great improvement since it's not based on a single country's economy.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Sounds like you want the gold standard back.

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Tariffs will further devalue the dollar.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 19 points 3 weeks ago

Guys don't you see how much the economy will grow?

If it drops 50% it will be a 100% growth once it's back where it was. That's like stable genius!

/s

"If you don't listen to me I'll.. "

checks notes

"...tax my citizens even more!"

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

BRICS, Canada and Mexico should be making a trade treaty right now, before Trump even takes office.

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Considering R in BRICS stands for russia, no, they certainly shouldn't.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't know if you noticed, but the B stands for Brazil and those 2 countries aren't exactly buddy-buddy. Treaties are more than their constituent members.

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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 11 points 3 weeks ago

Me 6 months ago: "Well at least inflation isn't as bad as it was in the Weimar Republic...." Me now: "uh oh"

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Dumb dumb dumb dumb

[–] rivenb@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t think the BRICS are interested in giving up on the dollar. Two of those countries have some of the biggest dollar reserves there are outside of the US.

I think they’re more interested in bilateral trades/payments using their own currencies.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

They absolutely are - the non-American aligned countries are afraid sanctions would prevent their ability to trade at all and want a better medium for exchanging goods. Everyone has seen the damage sanctions caused to Russia and are afraid of what might happen to themselves.

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