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[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

Someone should tell these people about gasoline (or electricity) if they think "having to pay to use your car" is an insane notion.

[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Driving in Manhattan is for truck deliveries and taxis only.

If you try to drive a car from point to point in Manhattan, you're an asshole.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 17 points 2 days ago

That goes for every densely populated city. In Europe we have similar problems and still there are those SUV Assholes driving their cars in areas even delivery vehicles fear to enter. (Imagine Roads made for horse carriages... they are now one way and barely fit those dick extensions)

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

25 years ago, I felt safer riding a bicycle in Manhattan than I did in Boston...

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I asked Google and told me that's like one mile distance.

This fucker is serious that he has no other way of traveling that then by car?

I bet taking the car actually takes longer if there's any traffic at all.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 241 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I looked on the map. That overlooks Central Park.

If your home overlooks Central Park, I'm pretty sure you can afford a congestion charge.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 96 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Some of the most frugal, penny pitching people I know are also some of the wealthiest people I know.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yep. I work in tech and there's a guy who cannot stop bragging about his millionaire status and is so ridiculously cheap.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

You don't get rich enough to afford such a location by paying fees that benefit others.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 226 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Dude: "I wish traffic in my area wasn't so bad"

Genie: "Ok, people driving in your area will be financially penalized for using their car instead of public transit, therefore alleviating traffic."

Dude: "hey wait, I want an exception made for me! I am special. I am the main character, I should be the only one driving a car!"

Genie: "That was your third wish. Goodbye."

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Congestion fees are a very capitalist way of solving it. This law basically exists for everyone except rich people (i,e. Those who can afford to pay fees).

All this is based on a false assumption that money has an objective value. But in reality, 1$ means different things for different classes.

[–] Latuga17@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

In NYC in particular though, I have a feeling that very few low income people drive into Manhatten instead of taking transit.

[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

According to Wikipedia "Low-income residents receive a 50 percent discount on daytime tolls after their first ten trips into the congestion zone in a calendar month". So to some extent the system does take your concern into account.

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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 18 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Yes but the money goes 100% to public transit so it benefits the lower income public transport commuters too.

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[–] coriza@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

I mean, you are right and the fee should be proportional to wealth, but it is not gonna affect the poor people because they use the public transit. Maybe anywhere else in the US may be true that "even the homeless need/have a car" but NYC would be the exception.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 191 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

The congestion zone starts at 60th Street and heads south, so traveling from 61st - 79th street won't even encounter the congestion pricing. This guy is dumb on so many levels.

EDIT: I just looked it up on a map and 61st is a one way going west towards Central Park, so if you enter 61st from Madison Ave, you're forced to exit at 5th Ave and go south entering the zone, which I guess is this guy's problem?. I also looked up the guy and he's a CEO Real Estate developer, so he's living in a multi-million dollar place right next to Central Park and can't afford to pay $9 because his private parking spot in his building forces him to drive into the congestion pricing zone. Come on!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Wait, it's 9 dollars?

Oh my God. I thought it was cheap. This poor bastard, does he have a GoFundMe I can donate to? This is highway robbery, it's going to drive him straight to the poor house or worse the public transportation system!

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[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 152 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Isn't the point of the congestion fee to relieve congestion? Each person that says "this fee is stupid & I'm not paying" is one less vehicle in the area.

Sounds like a win.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

That is indeed the goal, but there is still a PR battle to be had on the issue.

To my knowledge this is the first time that congestion pricing has been implemented in North-America, and how people react to this will decide whether other North-American cities are willing to take the risk and do the same thing. Over the next couple of months there will likely be a lot of opinion pieces and articles that try to make you think that the congestion pricing is a failure and should be reversed.

Edit: typo

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[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 100 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

I was wondering if there was more to the story. Like, maybe he has a disability and NYC doesn't have an exemption for disabilities. They do, however, have an exemption for disabilities as well as a reduced rate for low income residents. To me it sounds like this guy is just lazy.

Looking at this on Google Maps, he can get anywhere on 76th St using one bus or subway ride and a 5-10 minute walk.

Zero sympathy.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Awww he might have to go on the big scary subway and desk with the poors.. A sad day indeed

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He could save his $2.75 and avoid it by... walking.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 86 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Imagine if we got this sort of coverage whenever someone was inconvenienced by public transit being cut, or a bike lane being blocked, or fares being raised.

[–] Kcs8v6@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What I've read says that you aren't charged unless you cross the boundary. If you reside inside the zone and never leave and enter again, you won't be charged a toll.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even better, he's north of the boundary. It ends at 60th st.

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[–] piecat@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

Just take the 6 like 2 stops you absolute donkey

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 80 points 4 days ago (20 children)

Isn't that less than two miles away?

I suppose he could also have to travel down 79th a bit, but Manhattan is only about 2 miles wide anyway, right? So like...worst case scenario, a four mile walk.

Okay. That would be a significant walk. Probably an hour or two. But in NYC, how likely is it that you can get to your car, travel to your destination four miles away, find parking, and then walk to your destination (1) in less than an hour, and (2) for less than $9?

Get a bike, bro. Or hey, I hear New York has this fancy new doohickey called a "subway."

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago
[–] leadore@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

His kids live on 79th street and he will have to pay congestion price every time he goes to see them.

So like, what, Christmas and their birthdays?

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The one time I was in NYC, I was flabbergasted by the traffic because it was literally the opposite of what I expected from hearing about it and having seen jokes about it for literally my entire life.

There was basically no cars on the road, but so many people on the sidewalk it was hard to walk anywhere unless you walked in the street. Also everytime I hailed a cab to go somewhere thinking it was pretty far, they would be like "Bruh! You don't need to pay me for that, it's literally just down the street!" So I ended up walking all over the city and never taking any kind of vehicle.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I drove once in NYC. Never again. I'd gladly walk 3x that distance to avoid having to use a car. Or, ya know, use (gasp) public transportation.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I've driven a few times in Manhattan, but most of those times were on a Sunday - it was a different world. Ghost town is not an exaggeration. The one time it was a weekday, I was hauling a motorcycle trailer, and when I saw 2 parking spots in a row on 5th Ave, I couldn't resist stopping for an hour to walk around. Someone actually stopped to watch me parallel park. Must've been a tourist, New Yorkers don't stop for anything.

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