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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

[–] asdfbla@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

To add to that: Even from a purely military perspective, the intelligence gain regarding modern tactics far offsets what the US paid for it

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[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

[–] Godthrilla@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best

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[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 274 points 5 days ago (23 children)

Most embarrassed I've been to call myself an american. And I'm a veteran.

Absolutely disgusting.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 94 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm so angry and embarrassed. What a total shit show.

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 73 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I was pretty embarrassed when he was elected the first time, then really embarrassed when he was elected the second time too, but yeah, this is a new low.

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[–] klant@lemm.ee 200 points 5 days ago (14 children)

The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It's almost unbelievable that this actually occurred...

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think Ukraine is an ally anymore. I don't think much of Europe is our ally at this point

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 32 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm certainly not an ally, and I live here.

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[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

He did something much worst then humiliating x or y. Everyone already knew he is a clown, but he pretty much blown any credibility USA still had as a partner for anything, see also tariffs and threatening 2 allies (Canada and Greenland)

This is Don Corleone beheivior, I give you 100 billions in old military equipment and you give me 500 back, really?

Also, USA offered security guarantees on '90s when Ukraine gave back the nukes to Russia. Officials didn't forget that, maybe Trump did.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trump would say that the deal was done under incompetent old management and it is not valid under him. As if the government is now his and not the old.

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ok, then his validation as president was done by the same incompetent old management and it's not valid.

He can say what he wants. International treaties are international treaties. If you break them you loose your credibility, if you still have any after threating to invade your allies.

[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky

[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

[–] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 79 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 147 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.

He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.

He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.

If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago

He tries to run diplomatic relations like he would be dealing with NYC mobsters. That man is entirely unsuited for office. The US population which elected him has shown to be unsuited for the leadership role they claim their country has. That’s the reality the rest of the world is facing. The US is a troubled state and an unreliable ally. Moreover, they are acting in the interests of adversarial nations to world peace and prosperity. Other nations who did that have been deemed rogue or terrorist states.

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[–] somewa@suppo.fi 114 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 81 points 5 days ago (11 children)

And the sad part is that even if we can get our act together and pull put of this, our former allies would be justified in not getting too close, because we've demonstrated that we could just allow the morons back in at the next election to burn it all down again.

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[–] oascany@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (4 children)

You know there's something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 103 points 5 days ago (25 children)

At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.

The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.

So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.

That's the kind of idiot he has always been.

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[–] DTguess@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 81 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He took away anyone's right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He's a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 84 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they're humiliating their victims.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 36 points 4 days ago

This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn't says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 47 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can't bring myself to look at the cancer.

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[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.

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