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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Is that why all the executives and directors at my giant tech company are pushing AI? Fuckwits...

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 26 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

This does not sound good for those people. Writing is a way of thinking. AI writing assistants are competitive cognitive artifacts. People who use AI to write most of their written communication will get worse at thinking through writing.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world -4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hey this that you're doing is called gate keeping.

We got multiple versions of these every time a new tech comes along.

People defending typewriters. Or learning Latin. Or something better than a quill and jar of ink. Or paper being affordable.

Just. Stop.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 5 minutes ago

You seriously need to look up gatekeeping because that's not what it means at all.

Also you are making stuff up. No one has ever been against learning Latin, it is always being seen as something that a sophisticated gentleman knows, literally the opposite of whatever random nonsense you're claiming right now.

[–] Lemmist@lemm.ee -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Most people don't need to think, they need to write. And AI helps them in that.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 4 minutes ago

Most people don't need to think

No they just don't do it. The world would be in a much better position if people engaged their brains occasionally.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 88 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People bad at math use calculators. People with bad handwriting prefer to type. Weak people use levers. Slow people rely more on wheels. Its like were a bunch of tool using primates or something.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 4 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago) (1 children)

In all of those examples, the user knows exactly what they want and the tool is a way to expedite or enable getting there. This isn't quite the same thing.

If we were talking a tool like augmented audio to text I'd agree. I'd probably even agree if it was an AI-proofreader style model where you feed it what you have to make sure it's generally comprehensible.

Writing as a skill is about solidifying and conveying thoughts so they can be understood. The fact that it turns into text is kind of irrelevant. Hand waving that process is just rubber stamping something you kinda-sorta started the process of maybe thinking about.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm not really sure what you mean. They are not perfect, and in fact it will usually reduce the quality of output for a skilled writer, but half of the adults in the US cant read and write at a sixth grade level, and LLMs are greatly improving their ability to solidify and convey their thoughts in a more understandable way.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 minutes ago* (last edited 1 minute ago)

Because they're not actually using the AI that way, to support them in their writing endeavors, they're just having the AI do the writing task for them.

A calculated doesn't do the understanding for you it just does the calculation. You still need to understand what it is you're asking the calculated to do. If you want to calculate compound interest you still need to understand the concepts behind compound interest, in order to be able to put the right calculations into the calculator.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -2 points 16 hours ago

Bad at counting is not the same as bad at math. People bad at math I'd rather have use their hands to count.

People with bad handwriting are usually even more challenged to type with bullshit modern keyboards. I'm one such (I like my handwriting when I have time and mood, but that's not the usual situation).

OK, I get your point, just these analogies I gave are good for LLMs. I've yet to meet a person who'd really use them with good results. Except for me using porn chatbots.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 9 points 19 hours ago

I'm surprised that researchers are surprised at all.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Surprised? Just yesterday got banned from one TG group.

I commented under a post, its author, ignoring the contents except for the first sentence, wrote that I seem snobbish and talking down so could I please change my writing style. I explained why I won't change my writing style, but made a big effort for it to be friendly and substantiated - that, first, they could specify what should be replaced with what, and second, not when that impedes meaning.

They answered with a ChatGPT response which was gibberish (with such emotion as if that were obvious authority), I answered with a cool article called "GPT in 500 lines" explaining basics of how that works, and also why that gibberish is wrong, in detail. They and a few others ignored everything I said and kept repeating their opinion. Then I wrote one comment with tone becoming a bit closer to theirs noting that they use long smart words incorrectly and don't seem to know how logic works (except for the word itself). Then I got banned.

The scariest thing is - this happened in a TG group for autistic people. Supposedly those least likely to behave in such way. I sometimes forget that autistic people can be dumb or trying to replace intellect with intrigue.

So I'm not surprised, uneducated people would find what to copy-paste before, - "look, that's my opinion written by someone in the Internet, this means I'm right, I won, hahaha", - and now they ask GPT bots for responses.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago

'researchers surprised people that don't know how to do a thing cheat to use half baked tools to do the thing for them.'

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Even before the AI fad, services like Grammarly were surprising to me. So, you're marketing to non-readers, and people who want to sound better in written communication... without learning to write better... Huh. My current employment has very little formal writing as part of it, yet I still think learning how to effectively communicate is absolutely vital for any job, or at least for getting a better one...

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 16 hours ago

I have also seen a video discussing that Grammarly often makes mistakes because it doesn't understand context and nuance as much as a human would.

[–] 3x7x37@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

Grammerly is a key logger, I'd look into alternatives.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I always use AI to write texts.

I am to fucking lazy to write more than keywords 😆.

I let it format into a proper text and tell it what it should adjust. That is one task AI is very good in (way better than myself).

For me, it is the faster approach, but I always tend to write with enormous information density (which is disliked by many people somehow) anyway.

I personally prefer the shortest wording with most information to read, so I sometimes let AI summarise.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not an AI fan, but thank you for using it remove words, rather than turn 20 words into 200.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Reading such articles made me vomit even prior AI 🤣 newspaper writers just love expanding 3 sentences to, like, 5 paragraphs.

Edit: Paragraphs, not Absätze, lol

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

5 Absätze

"Paragraphs" is the English word you were probably looking for 😅

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] shield_87@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

i'm honestly curious about your writing style. maybe you could develop it or refine it! but yeah i don't judge you for using ai

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Of course I could, but I don’t want to 😆🤪

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 13 hours ago

AI doesn't really "summarize" though, it just chooses random topics to filter out.