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Summary

Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning, the Supreme Court handed down a brief order forbidding the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelan immigrants from the United States without due process.

The ACLU claims “dozens or hundreds” were allegedly given an English-language document, despite the fact that many of them only speak Spanish.

The Supreme Court ruled the government must give any immigrant “notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal.”

The Court’s one-paragraph order states that “the Government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order.”

Though it is just one order, Saturday’s post-midnight order suggests that the Court may no longer tolerate procedural shenanigans intended to evade meaningful judicial review.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 21 hours ago

I got sick of all these 'might' and 'may' headlines in 2021. Why are we still doing it?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll believe it when he suffers literally any consequences.

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One of the Supreme Court judges will go to Trump's house and beat the crap out of him

[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

As much as I’d like to see elderly man, one in a diaper, fighting it out on the lawn at 3am, I think they’re might a better way.

🍿

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish Ginsburg were still around. She was old and weak but I don’t think she would turn down the opportunity to shank this fucker. And the mental image of it brings me perverse pleasure.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Stop elevating that woman. In her 27 years, she only hired a single black clerk. Her refusal to step down in ailing health ensured the republicans got a SCOTUS pick. A stubborn, racist geriatric clinging onto the power of the democratic party - only to lose it all and shit on your entire legacy: where have I heard this one before?

Never trust an official of the United States of Amerikkka.

[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Signals”, “might”.

Next up is the wagging finger, furrowed brow, and tersely worded letter.

[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Dont forget the interpretive dance!

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 184 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

They forfeited their power by making the President basically immune to prosecution, then they get all offended that he will ignore their orders.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] AZX3RIC@lemmy.world 86 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is what drives me crazy.

Ok, the president is immune, the people that execute his orders are not.

If the courts started holding people under the president accountable for their actions there would be a change in the wind.

Yes, for the defeatists, holding those people accountable is complex and the president would just pardon them but, it would start a real process of the branches of government holding each other accountable.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

We're now going to spend the next decade plus arguing over what exactly entails 'official acts'.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hes not even immune, they get to decide what an official act is. It depends on how complicit they or how much the current situation plays into their own goals and each justice is an individual. It's a fight, every where. Nothing is black and white, but most importantly, nothing is final.

[–] alanjaow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Since it's the court that decides what's official, I feel that disobeying their order would be considered unofficial, since it's not following the rules, right?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You'd think that, but rationality has long since given way to something sinister.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

The president also has unchecked pardon power. He's already shown he's willing to use it to pardon people who tried to overthrow the government for him.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Technically they made themselves the arbiters of what constituents official duties of the president.

[–] Liberteez@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is a very relevant point

[–] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.

Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.

Gives the President full immunity because it’s the [R]ight thing to do, complains when he stops listening to them.

It’s all the same attitude from shitty people.

Irrelevant to this discussion but

Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.

Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.

With the housing crisis in some countries people just have to accept all the housing they can get or live on the streets. Doesn't mean they cant complain about noise.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 86 points 2 days ago

"I swear if you blatantly disregard like 12 or 13 more rulings and we're totally gonna get super duper serious!"

-SCOTUS I guess?

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are ya gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

[–] blacklisted@lemmy.org 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They bark all they want but they can't bite. They need the executive to enforce their decisions. Ain't happening. Thanks Citizens United. Oh, wait, they decided that.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I'm profoundly disinterested in what cannot be done.

I am intensely interested in the collective American response to their President being an existential threat, specifically by doing what cannot be done, with absolutely no evidence that it was difficult to do in the first place.

[–] MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago

“Keep this up, and I swear we’re gonna leave a very harsh voice-mail on your phone!”

I’m sure the fascists will respect the courts. This time.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So fucking sick of the doomer bullshit on Lemmy. Way beyond sus at this point.

Hugely republican GOP, working on a Saturday night at 1 am to vehemently fight against him.

Fuck anyone downplaying this. That's literally Russia propaganda at the current moment.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

It's more cynical realism.

What actual consequences has Trump ever faced?

How has he reacted to every judicial order telling him he can;t do something?

I'll be thrilled to see something actually stick to him,, but I'm losing faith that anyone can actually make that happen.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 13 points 1 day ago

but… this is basically the first time

we can applaud their movement to rationality and still look back at all the horrible things they did to pave the way here

[–] chipacabras@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do you have a reference for the Saturday night thing? Or are you referring to the Supreme Court’s order? I couldn’t find anything about Congress unless I misunderstood

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The article says:

Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning

So it's probably what most of us would call "Friday night" but it's still after midnight in fairness which is quite late.

[–] chipacabras@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Ah thanks. It was paywalled for me.

I think it will take both congress and judicial actually doing something to put me even a little bit at ease.

The court’s order wasn’t even unanimous.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

are you fucking high??

trump literally reneged on sending this dude to a concentration camp by mistake and then bragged about it

I’ll believe it when I see it

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

SCOTUS: You will abide by the lower court's decision and facilitate the return of the man you admit was sent to a torture prison in El Salvador in error.

Trump's White House: Yeah, no. He's never coming back.

SCOTUS: ...or else...?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is that a real official communication from the White House?

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The USA has always been far from perfect, but it was better when grown-ups were in charge.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I'm in my fifties and can't remember a time when that was the case. It's been greedy arseholes the whole time.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I'm so tired of speculation in articles like this.

When the courts decide to shit or (far more likely) get off the pot, then tell us. Don't waste our time with this "Look! Here's how we could totally get him if anyone responsible for doing so actually bothered to give a shit!" garbage.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

Well, it's not too late yet, anyway - but we're damned close.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Call again once they have him in court, wearing a nice orange jump suit and heavy duty handcuffs.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Eighty more earnings and they're going to issue a strongly worded letter.

Edit: I meant warnings, but... This is actually better.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Legit question: what would you want the Supreme Court to do which is more extreme than a strongly-worded letter? Correct me if I'm wrong, but everything they do ultimately boils down to a letter which is more or less strongly worded.

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[–] D_C@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

tRUMP: "lol"

[–] tehWrapper@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Someone might be getting a strongly worded letter soon.

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Don’t forget the clutching pearls.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why would the Court be Losing Patience with someone who KEEPS IGNORING THEM? If it was ILLEGAL to Ignore the Court there would be Punishments!

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If they keep clutching those pearls any harder, they're going to get carpel tunnel.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Time to arrest him

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