this post was submitted on 25 Apr 2025
1009 points (99.2% liked)

News

28982 readers
6490 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Luigi Mangione is accused of stalking United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and shooting him to death on Dec. 4, 2024.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 points 23 minutes ago

Seeing the way Luigi was carrying himself, and his facial expressions, makes me wonder. Does he actually have a cast-iron allibi just waiting to be revealed?

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 20 points 2 hours ago

Well, that settles it then. Better release him for the sake of Government Efficiency and all that.

[–] thickertoofan@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago
[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 hours ago

Luigi is a hero. But not because he killed a CEO, or anyone. Because he was framed by the government, dragged through the mud, humiliated publicly, and held his head high standing 10 feet tall. Not guilty plea is nothing less than I expected. We should all take note of his example. They can't beat us all if we resist.

[–] johnpmac@lemm.ee 31 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

“He who saves his country commits no crime “

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Watch out, fascists love that motto

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 54 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That kid didn’t do it. They are railroading him too hard and committing too many procedural violations for it to be anything but a setup.

Any normal case a judge would throw everything out for how prejudicial the state has behaved.

The face they don’t care how blatantly prejudicial they are shows they don’t care if he did it or not.

He didn’t do it.

The CEOs wife had hmm killed for meeting his side piece there.

The assassin was from El Salvador or something.

[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

All the photos look exactly like him tho... I mean is there is substantial evidence he didn't do it? I fully support him, but I think it's a stretch to say he was framed and the photos look nothing alike

Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

The misuse of evidence and the lead detective and mayor sharing evidence his lawyer hasn’t seen in a media campaign to impugn the man.

There’s reasonable doubt in their earnest attempt at seeking justice here. They seem hellbent on violating his constitutional rights.

I doubt they have the right guy. Reasonably

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Dude has a familiar face. There are tons of people that look "just like" those fuzzy videos and pics

Could those photos be ai generated?

The only way we can be reasonably sure they are not is if we believe the prosecution is honoring their commitment to the constitution and acting in good faith.

I do not believe they are acting in good faith.

This means I have reasonable doubt on their entire effort.

Justice is dead.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

There shouldn't need to be evidence of his innocence, there should need to be an overwhelming amount of evidence proving he's guilty. That's part of the foundation for justice that courts are meant to uphold.

Edit: mistype for spelling

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemm.ee 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

World needs fewer Elons and more Luigis

[–] tfm@europe.pub 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The world needs no Elons at all

[–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Without the elons there likely would be no luigis

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We'd still have Luigi, he'd just be doing more QA work for Civ or going surfing instead of being dragged around for this show trial.

[–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

I didn't necessarily mean Luigi himself 😉

But that's also true

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 44 points 14 hours ago

If the eyebrows don't fit, you must acquit.

[–] jaykrown@lemm.ee 40 points 15 hours ago

Good, honestly we don't even know if he's the person who did the crime.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 120 points 18 hours ago (3 children)
[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 71 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

He couldn't have done it! He was having a couple beers with me at the time that CEO died

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I remember that night! He was buying rounds for the whole bar, what a great guy!

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

I was at that bar too, great guy. I'll testify under oath.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 24 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

He should be acquitted specifically to make a point. A certain type of individual may or may not be safe if said person performs against the interest of their constituents.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] anas@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago

He can’t have done it, I saw him on the day and I don’t live in the US. He’s telling the truth.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 65 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I told you he didn't do it!

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 90 points 20 hours ago (14 children)

Luigi Mangione is a hero of the people.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 37 points 18 hours ago

Nah he was just framed as one

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 30 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Dude was with me in Bahamas

[–] clashorcrashman@lemmy.zip 16 points 16 hours ago

I was in the Bahamas and witnessed him being with you.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 206 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Solidarity aside, whenever you are arraigned, any lawyer worth their salt will advise you to plead not guilty, because entering a guilty plea means it's over, move on to sentencing, where you have no leverage at all.

You can always change a not guilty plea to a guilty plea later, if a plea deal offered by the prosecution is acceptable to you. This is especially relevant in a case where the death penalty is on the table, but also applies to the possibility of reduced charges or penalties in any case.

I'll also add that this case could well end up with an Alford plea. In short, where the defendant asserts innocence, does not admit to the criminal act, but accepts the sentence because they believe that a jury would find them guilty based on the evidence. Again, this is definitely related to a case where the death penalty is on the table.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 136 points 23 hours ago (18 children)

I'd be very disappointed in any jury who found him guilty

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 26 minutes ago

The problem is he definitely killed the guy. In a sane world the defense would walk in, state directly to the jury "jury nullification is a thing", and that would be the end of it.

They have engineered a system where the only recourse the common man has is violence, and I have no qualms about saying this CEO, like many others, deserved to die.

[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 102 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Having been on a jury,

People are dumb and have no empathy

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 hour ago

I was on a grand jury some years ago in NYC. It really did a number on my faith in people and the legal system.

Now, a grand jury is different than a regular (petit) jury in a few key ways. First, you only need simple majority to move forward with an indictment. You can't 12-angry-men hang a grand jury. Second, as I learned later, even if you do convince a majority to not indict, the prosecutor can just try again. So all those times the police didn't get indicted for murder and the prosecutor just gave up? They could have tried again. They didn't, because they didn't want to.

All of that said, the cases were largely about drugs. People selling weed and heroin and the like. No violence. I suggested to the jury that we maybe just say no, and don't ruin people's lives over marijuana. You don't have to show your work. You can just say whatever. The whole rest of the jury was like "are you insane?" Some of them were just anti-drug, full stop no context. Some of them were like "We have to do what they tell us" very obedient. Some of them just wanted to go home, and thought an indictment would be the fastest way.

They all voted to indict on every charge. The guy who was sleeping, and the lawyers and cops laughed at him snoring, also voted to indict.

I asked the little old white lady sitting behind me a hypothetical. I asked if she was on a jury in the 60s, and the charge was a black man eating at an all white's diner, if she would indict. She was like, "Hmmm maybe."

I tried. One of the cases the cops said they found a gun in the man's house, so they charged him with intent to use it in a violent crime, or something. I was like, they didn't even try to prove it was his or that he was going to use it. Everyone voted to indict. I'm just like, why do you have to make it easier for the police?

[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 59 points 20 hours ago

~~Having been on a jury~~

People are dumb and have no empathy

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (16 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 26 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 71 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Free this man. The wealthy psychopaths need something to be fearful of as it's the only emotional trigger that will keep their behavior from genociding the poor.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›