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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 90 points 1 year ago (4 children)

After a five-day manhunt, Mangione was arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He faces state charges in Pennsylvania for allegedly carrying an unlicensed firearm, forgery, and providing false identification.

And if they located him via illegal means, none of that is admissable...

That's the chink they need to hammer on.

The woman who "called it in" did so because some random man walked up to the counter, identified Luigi to the worker, told her there was a large reward and she should call.

The chances of that truly being a random person who recognized him, and wanted him turned in, but didn't want to make the call themselves is astronomical.

And that's not getting into how unbelievable fast the response was.

Whatever means they actually used to locate him, they can't say. So you hammer their unbelievable explanation and ask the jury if they believe it, or if it sounds like a cover story.

It blows a giant hole in the prosecution's case, and raises doubts about the entire investigation

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if they located him via illegal means, none of that is admissable...

Devil's advocate and IANAL, but illegally obtained evidence can still be admitted so long as at some point there was a legal means to obtain it. I'm sure there's a ton of nuance that goes into the specifics and especially regarding this case, but it's not like that stuff is completely tossed out of it was found illegally.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Also not a lawyer.

This legal doctrine is called Fruit of the Poisonous Tree and there are specific exceptions that can be made for it. According to its wikipedia page:

The doctrine is subject to four main exceptions.[citation needed] The tainted evidence is admissible if:

it was discovered in part as a result of an independent, untainted source; or

it would inevitably have been discovered despite the tainted source; or

the chain of causation between the illegal action and the tainted evidence is too attenuated; or

the search warrant was not found to be valid based on probable cause, but was executed by government agents in good faith (called the good-faith exception).

That said though, half this page is appended with [Citation Needed] so I maybe wouldn't take that as gospel.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can you explain why it was through illegal means? I don't get that part.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If they found him via legal means, then that's the way they would have said they found him

A mystery man telling a woman at the counter to call before leaving minutes before swat moved in would just be a huge coincidence.

They knew he was on the bus and where it was stopping and they prepared for him.

But hey, maybe I missed something. But as far as I can remember law enforcement lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I just don't trust the police in general at this point.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

There are a bunch of laws outlining how governments can collect evidence. Yhere are some methods that are illegal. If they used a method prohibited by law, the evidence is unusable. If the violation to obtain the evidence is severe enough the cop gets charged.

[–] System_below@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But doesn't that just affect his state charges? Aren't his federal charges the one that are the real issue?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tainted evidence is tainted evidence...

Like, if the state illegally finds proof you committed a crime, so they can't use it, that doesn't mean the feds get to. So let's say the stuff in his backpack was already in there, and there is some plausible explanation for all the "smoking gun" evidence to not have been noticed till like 11 hours later...

No one can use what was in the backpack if they were led to it via illegal methods.

It's just inadmissible and the prosecutors have to deal with losing it if they can't show a parallel investigation had a reasonable chance of discovering it.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

"Fruit of the poisonous tree" is how I've always heard this one; don't know if that's the actual legal term or not.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The gun, forgery, and ID; maybe. How he was "found", no

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sad that this innocent man needs to defend himself. I wish they would look for the real killer.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

the real killer? isn’t brian thompson already dead?

[–] sdfric88@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

Did they investigate the potential that this was a suicide?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

nope, Andrew witty and MR hemseley of UHG. funny thing these ceo are all originally from the UK.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Didn't say they were alive or even above ground.

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until the facts come out and everyone realizes The Adjustor is still out there somewhere.

You know, the guy in the video that shot the CEO and had thin brown eyebrows that were far apart. The guy who disappeared without a trace leaving his backpack full of Monopoly money. The idea that someone that careful would buy a similar jacket and backpack and put a confession and the disposable murder weapon inside was always incredibly stupid. Luigi didn’t do it for real.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

and MCD lady was looking for a free payday so she named the next random person that "looked liked the killer"

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Has he considered running for office?

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Yup, that's how you get out of jail.

[–] System_below@lemmy.myserv.one 21 points 1 year ago

Won't matter.

He's up against the state who have shown that I f they have to break their own laws they will

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 19 points 1 year ago
[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The revolution has started lol, billionaires are scared shitless

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

you can tell when MUSK is using his toddler as human shield, i think he abandoned him already though.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

I love your attitude, but… it’s far from started. One person died, and Luigi could be innocent. Which means it was probably a hit and not a political thing.

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

He turned 27 today, if anybody is looking for a new reason to donate.

https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You misspelled deductible