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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

I imagine there would have been a (relative) spike between the advents of shelter and candles.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Weird... I'd expect the graph to start rising at 1969, with the invention of Scooby-Doo.

[–] boses@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago
[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Since we have had houses with multiple rooms it has certainly made sense to shout “where are you?”

Scratch that. Since there were opaque things larger than a human that could be positioned in between two humans (rock, tree, bush, animal) it has made sense.

Scratch that. Since there was dark it has made sense.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Only recently has the response changed from "here" to something more descriptive.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did cavemen not know Marco Polo?

Only Asians in the 13th century knew him.

It's weird how he ended up in swimming pools.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

I still like to answer here. For extra annoying points I can add 'turn around' a couple times.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty sure people have used more descriptive answers since the dawn of language too whenever sound wasn't a reliable direction indicator.

Maybe "up", "down" or "over".

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 102 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I read this once before and it's one of those facts I find endlessly fascinating. It's simple and obvious why it wasn't normal before recent times...

It just scratches my nerd fact itch I guess.

It's right up there with

  • social security numbers were promised to never be used as essentially your "human number" for things and would only be used for ss benefits

And

  • minimum wage WAS designed and WAS intended to be a livable wage. It very specifically was proposed and made law with the point being it's the lowest wage which a person can support themselves. People saying "minimum wage isn't supposed to be livable wage!" Are wrong.

Oh and

-we see the color that is not absorbed by an object. So essentially we see every color the object ISNT.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Not to be too pedantic but that last one isn't quite correct. Color "happens" after the object is hit with light - it's defined by our perception of the wavelengths that bounce off.

Which I suppose raises the question... Is a blue box still blue in total darkness? Is its color defined by the light its reflecting or it's capacity to reflect? I think the latter but I don't really know

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Please be pedantic. I enjoy it. That isn't sarcasm, I love a good "technically...."

Yes you're right. It is fun to think about tho.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is a blue box still blue in total darkness?

Depends on the context of the question, but generally I'd argue it is still a blue box, since that's most likely a question about the property of the box, rather than its current state.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Technically it is an emergent property of the system composed of the light source, the box and our eyes.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Plants are green, so which colors are used by the plant for photosynthesis?

[–] TheSaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

Grow lights are purple for that exact reason iirc, not to say you can’t get/use white ones

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Your last point is more of a philosophical / semantical one. What does it even mean that something is a specific color?

It's like how blue butterflies actually don't have any blue pigments but rather have a nanostructure that interferes with light in a way that favors blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Ts7CsJDpg

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 day ago

It probably wasn't written to the quantity it is today, but it doesn't mean it wasn't used.

Mass literacy wasn't a thing until the past 100 years, so a lot of people didn't even write anything down about their lives.

Even once mass literacy was adopted, the written word was generally sent to specific places. Outside of combat messengers, letters generally went to specific places where people would pick them up. If you were able to read the written message, you were probably in a known location to the sender.

It isn't until cellular text messaging or Internet chat where it became common to not know where a person was when you were talking to them.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, what is this chart? What are the metrics?

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is Google Ngrams, and the exact results can be found right here. It charts the frequency of a word or phrase occurring in all literature in Google's library, by publication date. You can make interesting inferences about the popularity of words. Also, try two words, phrases or names separated by a comma to compare them side by side.

It's really cool but people have stopped talking about it much since it came out years ago.

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is a neat tool! I searched for "how are you?" and got almost the same graph so I'm not sure if it's as meaningful as people think. Probably more related to casual conversations being captured in text more.

[–] isyasad@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

I looked at some of the examples of early 1800s use of "where are you?" and it seems to be used often as "where are you going?" (most common) or something else like for example "from where are you buying that?" etc.

Also seems like the way they process it, it doesn't just look for the immediate following question mark, the question mark can be later on.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

yeah same with "who are you"

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

My guess would be Google scholar (or whatever their thing is called which lets you search through a bazillion indexed books and other texts)

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Marco! Polo!

CW (continuous wave / Morse code) over RF in the 1900s.

Walkie talkies and car phones in the 1940s.

AMPS cell phones in the 1980s.

Mostly though they’re right. When you used telecommunications systems you were largely communicating with a location or a known station, not a personal identity. Fascinating to think about.

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[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You hear your buddy, but you can't see him because of foliage in the way. "Where are you?". This scenario could happen all throughout history.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Just call his cell phone, you'll hear it ring through the foliage.

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

History is rife with stories about some King/General/Warlord demanding that his princely sons lead their battalions to capture some town and then re-join his larger army. It was common to send a scout or courier to go find the sons for an update, essentially asking "where are you?". If a long siege or other poor conditions delayed one of the princes, then by the time he arrived to the meeting location the father could already be dead, or worse, extremely disappointed.

[–] norby@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

The Hebrew "Ayekah" in the myth of Adam and Eve is often translated to "Where are you?"

In the story, God asks Eve this after the whole fruit thing.

Granted its probably a much more metaphorical use, as there is already an established narrative of an omnipotent, omnipresent, and all-knowing deity by this point.

Semantically it might count, but as far as the actual meaning of the words it was probably more of a question of concern and not of location.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] boses@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

All these thoughtful answers and yet I believe this the most

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

What happened around 1900?

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Peekaboo was invented

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everybody went blind for a hot minute

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After Marconi sent wireless telegraphic signals across the Atlantic Ocean in 1901, the system began being used for regular communication including ship-to-shore and ship-to-ship communication.

People probably realized that they should preemptively describe where they were soon afterwards, so asking about that was surely not necessary very often.

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[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right no one ever looked for anyone or snytuingnin the dark. Ffs

[–] joshcodes@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

I had a snytuingnin once but luckily my doctor removed it.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There are some instances I can think of, but very few; smoke signals, whistles, marching bands for battle.

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