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What do you mean? The slaver owners, who genocided the local population to steal their land and didn't consider women or children people wouldn't be happy with Trump's America? Trump's America is their dream, and it won't change until you stop mythologizing genocidal slave owners.
I feel like that's incredibly reductive and it just kind of bothers me every time I see it. The Constitution was almost not ratified because there was a contingent of founders that opposed slavery. What's important about that is that it completely destroys the moral relativism argument for the rest of them. Founders that supported slavery knew it was wrong and did it anyway cause they were greedy.
Well, except for Jefferson. His reasons are more rooted in being an incredibly lazy psychopathic rapist who had created a slavery powered life of luxury for himself. But that's going off on a completely different tangent.
George Washington would be like: "Why this portrait of a slave in the white house?" (referring to Obama) 💀
There were free black people in Washington's day. But yes, the first several presidents were all slave owners.
"C'mon, Franklin, we're going to New Brunswick."
"What for?"
"For the whoring and the drinking, of course!"
Franklin pops right up, eager to go
Listen. Alexander Hamilton died in 1804 and the current year is 2025. If I died today and found out that in the year 2246 that the laws, mannerisms, dress, economics, attitudes, and technology had changed so little that I "recognised" it, I wouldn't be proud, I would be concerned. My mind would be going "what the fuck why hasn't anything changed". I would expect things to be different, if I noticed that nothing or little had changed technologically, socially, economically or politically, I would suspect there had been a collapse akin to the Bronze Age Collapse that society was only just recovering from.
My Grandmother was born in 1920. She was born two years after women got the vote, Modern Art was in it's heyday, Cinema was still silent, the quickest way you could sent a message to anyone was via Morse Code, and there were people around who were born in the 1830s. She used to have to take a fucking candle up to bed with her like in those Bugs Bunny Cartoons. She lived to see gay marriage in the UK, The Lord of the Rings Trillogy, Video calls, and the Moon Landing.
I expect to see commercial Fusion Power and a moon base by my 90s. If I was told that little changed between now and 2246, my first question would be a terrified "why"?
I love how you make it sound like the moon landing happened after LOTR.
If you subscribe to the notion that Middle Earth is our world, it did!
um lotr was published in the 50s and the moon landing was in the 60s my dudes
It did though? The Lord of the Rings was written in the 1930s and 1940's, the moon landings took place in 1969-1972.
They just said "Trilogy," so it's unclear if they meant the movies or books. But video calls were definitely after the moon landing, as was gay marriage in the UK being legalized.
George Washington: "They kept on with political parties, didn't they? Told 'em."
Thomas Jefferson: "The Tree of Liberty hasn't been refreshed, I see."
"Damn, they're making new kinds of chicks" -- Ben Franklin when he sees trans porn
"You guys cured smallpox, and there's people who are working against the cure?" - Also Ben Franklin, who lost one of his sons to smallpox
Is it correct to say we "cured" smallpox? A vaccine isn't a cure, but we used that vaccine so effectively that we eradicated the disease. But the overall sentiment of your post holds up.
I think they would be horrified, but that's because of the maga. And because black people would not take their shit.
Ben Franklin would try modern clothes, start sleeping with trans women, then get addicted to the internet. He would be indistinguishable from someone from the 21st century within a year tops
He'd be exhausted searching for all the local milfs in his area.
George Washington could finally get some implants or dentures and stop stealing the teeth from slaves.
"It's all about the me's, baby!"
Terrible choice of founding fathers to use for that example. Benjamin Franklin was kinky as fuck.
He would be browsing xHamster going, “Seen it.. seen it… seen it… done that… done that, too… seen it… cliche…”
Take another look at that jak friend. That's not the look of shock, it's awe.
no he's the perfect choice because he's a horny bastard and having porn at his fingertips would drive him absolutely apeshit
Something tells me he’d be more interested in the farting and scat porn..
"WHO TF GAVE THE (HARD R)S RIGHTS?"
"Ah, fuck, it was me, wasn't it?"- TJ
Honestly, they'd be horrified at a bunch of things, some of which are on MAGA, and some on progressives. Maybe we shouldn't be taking the ideas of slaveowners from over 200 years ago as seriously as we do.
"Look what they've made of our dream. This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope but by fear, hate and ignorance."
Nailed it.
Our founding fathers fought back against their government. At the very least they would wonder why people aren't gathering in mobs outside the homes and offices of legislators demanding change.
Six years passed between the Boston Massacre and the Declaration of Independence. Six years. And Boston was not the first issue, just the worst. They were working on the opposition movement for a long time.
If anything, the idea that protests in Chicago and DC could appear within two days of the federal LA invasion would be astounding to them. Some guy on a horse would still be riding through the Rocky Mountains to bring the news.
The only issue is, the news has gone from:
hear ye, hear ye, the king said this 3 months ago!
And everyone physically gathering in squares and pubs for weeks to say "hey what the fuck?"
To:
did you hear what said 5 seconds ago?
And someone else says:
yeah but said that was fake.
And everyone else clicking like, subscribe, and next!
Yep. I'm directly descended from Rev. D. Rice. The guy owned about ⅔ of The Virginia Colony, because he's a direct descendent of House Rice, and House Wellington. He saw which way the wind was blowing in 1765 and started selling off his land. He donated the raiesd 1,500,000 pounds sterling to his good friends Tom, Jim, and Ben. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Benjamin Franklin. The joke in my family is that we paid to found the US Army and US Navy.
My cousin still has his diary, which is how we know this even happened, well that and a map of his land.
That's some incredible history. I hope your family has (carefully) taken scans and such!
That was an incredibly prescient move by the Reverend. And also an insane amount of money!? That's somewhere around a quarter of a billion pounds today?
He had, quite frankly, an insane amount of land. Yes, my late great Aunt Binny (Virginia) was a professor of history at the University of Louisville, and had scans done by her department before she died. The scans were done in 2002.
why people aren't gathering in mobs
Well, it happened about a hundred years after your time, but there's this thing called the Gatling gun that got invented that really became a hard counter to angry mobs trying to storm things, and once that stopped being an option they just kinda stopped listening to us
Before that they had archers and keep walls. And after that there have been many successful protests and revolutions which created freer democracies (with varying degrees of success).
Fair enough, but, like, 100 archers against 1000 people ends poorly for the archers if the people are willing to take some casualties, and a keep wall is only good so long as nobody inside decides to unlock a door or people outside can't get a ladder set up somewhere for a few minutes
Yes, there have been successful revolutions since the 1850s, but they're definitely a lot harder than they used to be, and I think they now really do require some sort of defection from the ruling classes or military over to the opposition in a way that you didn't really need for, say, the French revolution, where an angry mob of peasant women could just force their way into the kings castle and tell him how things were gonna be going forward
I'm not saying it's impossible, and I'm definitely not saying people should give up protesting all the bullshit going on right now, but I do think meta social contract between the rulers and the ruled has changed a lot since the 18th century because of technological progress
I feel like they'd recognize it better now since it's the current administration's prime directive to reverse all progress that's been made since the founding fathers were around.
They wouldn't even remotely be surprised. They knew this type of shit was inevitable, and that any generation under any system would have to face the ever-present threat of tyrants.
Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
-Thomas Jefferson
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.
-George Washington
[The Constitution founded a] Republic, if you can keep it.
Benjamin Franklin
Oh my God, I haven't laughed this hard at a meme in a very long time. Congratulations.
There's not much that's more gross than pale skins worshiping enslavers.