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Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns, sources say | CNN Politics (www.cnn.com)
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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 124 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

In case anyone's in any doubt about whether there's any factual basis for this:

Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims

This CNN article states it well:

Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.

That's it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons' attention diverted from real problems.

And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):

The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”

Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)

But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.

That's surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From what I understand, people with mental disorders (e.g. taking anti-anxiety meds) can still own guns. The threshold for being disallowed is if the person has been involuntarily institutionalized. So even if you have some kind of mental health crisis and check yourself in, that's voluntary so it doesn't prohibit you. It sounds hard to fit gender dysphoria into that framework.

OTOH apparently you're prohibited if you've used pot in the past year, so maybe they'll expand that to include vaccinations.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The logical direction this is going is that they want to do something bad and Nazi-ish to trans people. I hope it doesn't go that far, but they're rounding up other people already so people need to be ready for a fight.

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And it won't stop at trans people like the "normal gays" seem to think everyone on the LGBTQ+ spectrum should be ready to flee/fight ASAP.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The way I look at it is: this isn't just trans people's battle. They just happen to have found themselves on the frontline of a war that's coming for everyone, so we all need to fight this together. If trans people lose rights, those are rights everyone else has lost too, because they're now a matter of the fascists' discretion so not really rights at all. If you're not their chosen victim today you may be tomorrow, and fascists' victim lists have no end but grow and grow. So it's for all of us to fight for trans rights today, because the attack on trans people is an attack on all people and we're in this together.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I would bet though that most made shooters are white though. Better male it so white people can't have guns...

Well lookie there, I was right

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Lol it's worse than that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/

I wonder if there's a similar split for regular shootings rather than mass shootings.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well lookie there, I was right

No shit though?

You look at the largest racial population and wonder why it represents the highest raw number figure?

Looking at your source... (and taking population percentages from here... https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/)

White: 54.2% while representing 58.9% of the population
Black: 16.8% while representing 12.6% of the population
Latino: 7.7% while representing 19.1% of the population
Asian: 6.5% while representing 6.1% of the population
Native American: 1.9% while representing 0.7% of the population

The white population overall under represents per capita mass shootings. You SHOULD expect white people to make up the majority. They ARE the majority.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 84 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It makes sense if you don't think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
It's all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
USA is a disgusting society.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It’s shaping up to declare us all mentally incompetent so that they can institutionalize us. They won’t stop here.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a stepping stone. First they'll target trans people, than anyone LGBTQIA+, then minorities, then anyone with liberal views, then anyone who looks weird to them. That was the purpose of that EO dipshit signed a few weeks back directing is admin to explore how to institutionalize anyone deemed mentally incompetent. All they have to do is declare "x group" is mentally ill and then they'll round em all up. It's fucked.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some asshole already tried declaring trump derangement syndrome a mental disorder so they could say anyone who dislikes the orange turd has a problem.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well color me troubled

[–] hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Especially funny because he proposed that bill mere hours before being charged for soliciting a minor. Once again, all the claims they make about trans people are just projections and admissions of guilt.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What a nightmare, and AFAIK no country will accept trans people from USA as refugees (yet).
I hope you have options.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think Canada does from what they reported of asylum sellers from the US and mostly were trans.

I hope if shit pops off they can send us care packages from the north.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Last I checked (last week? Does time mean anything anymore?) canada doesn't want poor trans refugees more than any other country. A few people have gotten in, but the vast majority of applicants are being denied asylum.

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Source for that claim? I'm pretty sure Canada is unfortunately still very backwards on granting asylum to people who need it (like most countries in the world are), but I'd love to be wrong about that.

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[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

There was a convicted criminal now representative in my state that has a YouTube video out of her firing an assault weapon. She was the lead sponsor of the bill that banned assault weapons in our state. On top of that because of her past convictions it is illegal for her to be in possession of a firearm.

It only makes sense if you don't look at the shit show behind the curtains.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 74 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Gun restrictions you say? 🤔 Tell me again how the left-wingers came for your guns.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So they ARE for gun control?

[–] Azal@pawb.social 13 points 10 months ago

Always have been. They just have to be in control.

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[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 10 months ago (4 children)

welp, that tears it. time to buy my first gun, while I still can. I'm not a big fan of guns but fuck if I'm going to let myself and my community be disarmed by the fascists. I'm not going quietly if they send us to the camps.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you do and have not used one before please get training in the proper operation of it. Even if its from a book. Practice until you are comfortable with it. Otherwise you may end up shooting yourself or someone you care about by accident. You should know how it works and how to break down and clean it yourself.

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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I hate my life and I hate this world so much, yes this shithole of a country is one of the worst but others are rapidly sliding to this too. Why couldn’t I have just been born a women and never had to deal with all of this

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago

hugs from a fellow trans woman. <3

this sucks. living with transphobia and dysphoria sucks. I can't promise it'll get better. hold your community tight, help them and let them help you. we're all we've got.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is in no way to diminish your struggle or do any type of oppression ranking, but the GOP hates cis women too, with anti-abortion laws, putting rapists on the supreme court, aims at removing no fault divorce, the desire to make cis women baby factories who can't vote or work, etc. Cis hyper religious rich white men are the only things they tend to like.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 months ago

They hate cis women less than they hate trans women, they me dead. At least cis women are allowed to live which is an improvement over what I have to deal with. At least other countries will more easily accept cis women in and allow them to exist. Being a cis woman right now isn’t easy but being a trans woman is goddamn hellish.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A republican shoots up a school and nobody sees any issue with Republican ideology, but the second a trans person does we've gotta take away the guns, right?

Lefties and trans folk, arm up. If you haven't bought your piece yet, start the application process. Once you have it, it becomes almost impossible for them to take it away by force.

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[–] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So if the next mass shooting is done by a non-trans person, does that mean non-trans people will be restricted from owning a gun?

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Judging from right-wing media, all mass shooters secretly become trans just before pulling the trigger.

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[–] potato_wallrus@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What part if "shall not be infringed" do these fuckers not understand?

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

How would this stop them? Couldn't they just use the ~~same gun show/online loopholes~~ (the many way ways to acquire a gun in America)everyone else does?

EDIT: changed the phrasing to more accurately reflect the reality to satisfy people's dependence on nitpicking details at the cost of understanding the actual point.

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Probably. I think this is more about providing an excuse for jailing any trans who choose to own a firearm, rather than stopping them

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Damn these gun-grabbing democrats.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep.. well 2nd amendment folks are hypocrites apparently. Shocker.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think Trump is popular for this. The NRA has already come out publicly they are against this. Rednecks hate trans people but they hate anyone who threatens to take guns away from citizens more it looks like.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's amazing how we're all told growing up there's no black and white good and evil. The world doesn't really have vampires and villains, just people who disagree on what's right. I'm surprised he hasn't painted the White House black yet.

(Yes, I know, but gold doesn't fit the metaphor)

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Dems be like: "I allow it"

Remember: "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." -Karl Marx

Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.

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[–] Jimbabwe@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Next up, people with Trump Derangement Syndrome (RFK can diagnose you as you walk around in the airport)!

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Yeah, after all those mass shootings done by transgenders, I understand.

Wait, how many of the long list of mass shootings were done by transgenders? What is the muder rate in percentage by transgenders compared to sisgenders?

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[–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Good thing we have red flag laws to prevent other minorities from keeping their guns!

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