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“It appears … that multiple employees at the Department of Justice may have violated Local Criminal Rule 23.1, and this Court’s order of April 25, 2025 specifically identifying the strictures of this rule,” U.S. District Judge Margaret M. Garnett wrote in her order on September 24 in response to the letter.

The rule stipulates that “non-lawyer personnel employed by a lawyer’s office or subject to a lawyer’s supervision” in a criminal case have a duty not to release an “opinion that a reasonable person would expect to be disseminated by means of public communication” if there is a chance that the opinion will “interfere with a fair trial or otherwise prejudice the due administration of justice.”

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 108 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It'd be real funny if Mangione walked free because the Trump admin fucked up his case.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There's an incredibly strong chance, even without the stuff they've been saying.

They panicked and used every illegal means to identify and apprehend, because of who was killed.

He's from a decently wealthy family, and has a shit ton in legal funds donated. And the government is full of people who don't know what they're doing. The prosecution will have bad strategies and implement them terribly.

If trump tries to influence to hard, it's liable to cause riots and damn near every American supports Luigi.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 2 days ago

The more time passes and seeing the fuckery of the prosecution the more I think he actually innocent. If he was guilty and the case was a slam dunk, they wouldn't need that kind of bullshit.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Riots? I highly doubt that. Most people are in the "I ain't saying I agree with it, but I get it" camp.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he gets off on a technicality and trump says fuck it and locks him up or even executes him anyway...

There'd 100% be riots.

Because there would be peaceful protesters, and cops would instigate violence, likely on direct order from Adams/trump

Don't forget about how the NYC mayor is an ex cop who stopped being a Dem and is trying to pivot maga.

Shit is not going to end well.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump deported people without a trial, threatens the press, protected pedophiles and all that happened was people said mean things. Do you REALLY believe that there would be riots over sending one single person who may have actually killed someone?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you REALLY believe that there would be riots

Yeah...

That's why I said it explicitly and further elaborated...

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It was a rhetorical question. I wasn't really expecting a yes or no answer. The cops have already instigated violence and still nothing happens. Nothing ever happens. Not just the US. Everyone holds any semblance of hope until the very last moment. I think the riots will come when / if he skips elections. Until then, peoe will not want to risk their lives for something they hope can just go away when the term ends

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Yup. Revolutions happen very, very slowly, then suddenly all at once. But we're not there yet.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And the reason you believe this is because there is no online platform where you can say "I support this" without getting permabanned.

I'm not saying you aren't coming across this a lot, but stop and consider the fact that it's the most extreme opinion Americans are allowed to have online.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Correct. I got banned from Reddit for saying it was technically self defense and that he was also defending the populace from a mass murderer.

Well, I did post stuff like that and "eat the rich" a lot. Regardless ... the powers that be are scared that this happened. If this gets nullified it could mean an open hunting season on unethical CEOs.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

I talk to people in real life too.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You assume they have the right guy which they don't, they're framing him so it does not look like someone got away with it. The pictures from the crime scene do not match him.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're assuming they only have pictures and publicly available information...

I'm saying the NYPD and Feds can identify anyone in NYC and track all their movements, thru means they're not legally able to utilize at that wide of scale, but they do.

This article is from 2021:

https://www.wired.com/story/all-seeing-eyes-new-york-15000-surveillance-cameras/

But they were already running facial recognition on everyone walking down streets, you think they've eased off with Eric Adams running the show?

You think the NYPD doesn't have permanent sting rays installed and log everyone by cell phone?

That's the entire point of my comment, that if they say how they know it's Luigi, it's going to be a Snowden level revelation about government surveillance in one of the largest cities on the planet.

Most presidential administrations would be smart enough not to let the public know about that, especially in a scenario where the public is on the accused side to this extent.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They are nowhere near to having it that much together at the moment with the facial recognition and bullshit.

Mangione is not the guy that did this. Facial recognition is far from perfect. And cops lie. You should presume everything they say about anything is lie which it is.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't speak to whether they have the right guy or not, but it certainly seems like they only had illegally obtained data suggesting it was him, and then decided to arrest him anyway by planting some stuff in his backpack. So far they haven't disclosed any admissible evidence, considering the backpack broke chain of custody.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 days ago

That is what I am saying too when they came out everything they said was bullshit. A Manifesto, somebody writing about how health insurance sucks after health insurance executive gets popped? A gun consistent with the ability to fire a 9 mm bullet? There are are more of those in the United States than mangione's age and demographic group. The pictures from the scene do not mark match up. What else some fighting a candy wrapper or is something that could have been planted after the fact. If they had real evidence they would have condemned him and public opinion right away.

Also around half of murders in NYC are solved (by that it means someone was arrested and charged, not necessarily convicted). Despite this widespread video surveillance. It makes me wonder what is the point of all that if their crime resolution rate is that low.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 20 points 2 days ago

The case needs to be dismissed with prejudice. Meaning it CANNOT be reopened.

Also Luigi needs to be generously compensated for the time he spent unjustly behind bars. A few million dollars will do.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He won't walk free. He's not rich enough. They'd end up charging him on jay walking and he'd spend his life in prison.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Well, his family has money, and he has over a million in defense funds. So yeah, he’s not that elite group, but he has looooots of fans

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The fediverse sent him 20$! I ended up winning fifth place in the Lemmy silver contest and sent it to his defense fund.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

He has the kind of legal defense where they file a motion challenging the constitutionality of the entire federal death penalty because, hey, it's worth a shot.

This is absolutely the best representation that can be had at any price.

True, I forgot about that.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Seeing as Luigi is innocent and a patsy they framed because they could not find the person that did it, I would not call it quite funny.

It would be just if he did not face punishment for something he did not do. The pictures from the crime scene do not match his pictures.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, he is going to walk free because he didn't do anything wrong.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, he and I were playing parappa the rapper that day.

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lead-poisoned population elects moron administration. Moron administration bungles every single thing they do. America is on a brave trajectory.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

[–] essell@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

And it cuts right through the brains of many people

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Future violations may result in sanctions, including “relief specific to the prosecution of this matter,” Garnett wrote.

And once again judges giving this administration carte Blanche through future violations.

At what point do we accept that they are purposefully doing this and contributed leeway just enables them?

ETA: Trump has been a president for 4.5 years, this is the DOJ, not a rinky dink operation. Why do they get the benefit of the doubt after so so many violations?

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 37 points 2 days ago

Also, "There will still be a trial, of course. It just won't be fair."

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I still can't get over the bulletproof bullshit, like someone really wanted Mangione out when he is instead loved and cheered by the people

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 15 points 2 days ago

They are desperate to make him look evil and hated when he is actually so popular even his fellow prisoners called for his release, saying he doesnt belong there.

They want to make him look like Eichmann, who had to stay in a booth with bulletproof glass during his trial because people really did want to shoot that guy.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago

Lugi is not suicidal

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

So some DOJ hacks couldn't help themselves xheeting about it, and now it's coming to haunt them?

Sweet.