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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 181 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Vibe coding or no, this is a massive QA failure.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 99 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That is the reality.

The problem isn't "vibe coding" (anyone who has ever managed early career staff will be able to attest that... the bar is REAL fucking low). The problem is a complete lack of testing or any sort of "investment" in caring if production breaks.

A lot of it is general apathy induced by... gestures around. But it very much goes beyond just the obnoxious rise in brain drains over "vibe coding". Personally speaking, I am THIS fucking close to driving over to my company's head of IT's house and burning it down with him in it (For legal purposes, this is a joke) as that entire team continues to think "We'll just wait until people tell us what is broken" is at all fucking acceptable.

But pretty much any SDLC is going to be built around code review. And code review is how you handle developers of different skill and sanity levels. Whether they are old hats who have been in the basement since before you were born, youngins who can't stop talking about Rust, or chatbots.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Unfortunately a lot of people are trying to outsource code review to LLMs as well. Also, LLM generated code is more likely to have subtle errors that a human would be very unlikely to make in otherwise mundane code. Errors that are easy to gloss over if you don't take a magnifying glass to it. My current least favorite thing is LLM generated unit tests that don't actually test what they say they do.

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[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I have seen at least 1 out of every 5 comments from coderabbitai that lead me down a rabbit hole looking to see if the suggestion is correct. It can waste so much time trying to validate their suggestions only to find out it’s complete BS.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can't fail QA if there is no QA.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

... Basically nobody in software development has done QA in about 15 years, aside of basically the last ol timer server admin types, who are now being replaced with ... whatever Microsoft is calling Tay or Cortana now.

There's always a few who try, and then corporate beats that out of them because it slows down 'productivity', you can basically only resist this for more than a year, two tops, if you are literally the only person on the planet who knows how to do what you do.

... which is also why those same old timers tend to ... seemingly intentionally not document anything usefully: job security.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

You think the QA was done by a person? I'll bet this was Vibe QA'd.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The public, aka Microsoft QA Team, found the bug. It's a QA success!

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 110 points 2 months ago

[–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 74 points 2 months ago

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Nothing fucking works anymore.

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[–] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 52 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I don’t think I could go back to Windows 10 permanently to do any non-web based work. I couldn’t even touch Windows 11. It’s so disgusting compared to my KDE plasma desktop on OST.

[–] coolman@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (5 children)

What is OST? Sorry, I'm just interested because I'm getting tired of Arch but I still KDE plasma 6

[–] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 months ago

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

TIRED OF ARCH!?!??!!!

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[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Sorta related, i found a copilot pull request (merged) on an npm project repo and I was so disgusted I wanted to delete the dependency and do my own thing manually, but alas this was at work and my time on this earth is finite (for now)

(I just wanted to share this)

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How the hell do you fuck up the task manager, an application that hasn't needed to be touched in decades? At best, you stick a new skin over it to match the aesthetic. The core functionality of the task manager should have remained untouched going back to... What, Windows 3.0?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 23 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I really don't agree with this comment seeing how useful task manager has gotten over the years. It used to be pretty simple process explorer, but has evolved into almost a full fledged resource monitor. The only thing that feels like missing now is afterburner-like overlay in games.

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[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When I used to be on Windows, I shifted to Process Explorer. It is developed by Microsoft only I guess as part of their Sysinternals suite. I think it retains an older style UI but is significantly more powerful (has/d virus total integration for one).

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[–] dmention7@midwest.social 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I was recently pulling my hair out because a recent update caused a bug in the Windows recovery media creator that prevented the Windows RE from recognizing USB input devices. The few weeks between the faulty update and the fix just happened to coincide with me needing to use it.

WTF are they doing messing with something as basic as the Recovery Environment? And further, in a way that breaks its utility entirely?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And no regression tests that caught it

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago

Captive audience on the contracts side, so they can do whatever they want as crappy as they want and the contracts still generate revenue.

You wanted a usable product? Stay away from Big Tech anymore.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

All week I've been sending these to my coworker, currently hip deep in AI propaganda, at the Microsoft Power Platform conference in Vegas.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 27 points 2 months ago

...hail Hydra?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They’re ruining LinkedIn and GitHub as well.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 39 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure it was possible to ruin something like LinkedIn ..

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago

No way... Are you serious?

[–] ezterry@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 months ago (5 children)

That's not vibe coding.. Its vibe testing..

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Both? Both. Both is good.

[–] ezterry@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago

Well no human looked at it while coding, no human looked at it while testing, so should be good as long as no user is a human looking at it..

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[–] Jinarched@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Personal anecdote, but I've had Microsoft apps like Outlook and Teams crash on me on 4 different days this week while at work. Is anyone else getting similar instability issues?

[–] hornywarthogfart@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Teams crashes or fails to work for me at least a few times a week and has for months. Outlook glitches out daily. I legit started using the web access instead of actual Outlook because it constantly bugged out.

Both Teams and Outlook are so ridiculously slow for what they do and the hardware they are running on.

Meanwhile in Windows 11: 4 years after release and I still can't click on the clock on my secondary monitor to look at the calendar.

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