I dont think i would mind. I love the church bells from down the street
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They should both be banned
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yeah, but that's different, because catholics are white, and muslims are brown. So it's completely different.
When my local church rings the bell five times, I know it is time to go home. Do the Islamic calls serve the same purpose?
No? Oh, then I'm not interested.
LOL at these fucks that don't even live in the USA being paid to troll Americans and sew division.
Come to Dearborn if you want to hear the call to prayer and while you are at it, stop your fucking crying "RussianResponse 47"
Either is fucking annoying. I don’t want to listen to your religious bullshit. Keep it inside the building.
agreed, as long as we aren't using "noise pollution" to go against a specific minority.
I live next to a Mosque in Europe. The call to prayer is super chill and notably less invasive than church bells.
Church bells cut through double glazing. Call to prayer does not.
Idk, bells sounding the hour are basically like any clock to me (I like clocks so I'm biased). Spoken prayer over a loud speaker is much more invasive imo.
Sounds like you never lived next to a church that will ring their whole bell Assembly for half an hour at a time every Sunday and holiday
The clocks rings are just a extra service. The main reason churches have bells is too tell everyone to move their asses to church
Lived a block away from a Catholic church for several years. Bells did not ring for half an hour, but I do remember them ringing a little longer for some holidays.
I guess other Catholic churches handle it differently?
Might have been a bit of a hyperbole, but I've had them go on for at least 15min when I was living near one. And especially when you want to sleep on a Sunday, it feels a lot longer
Arabic is scary :(
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Especially the way they write numbers.. Eww
Did you hear that Mandani supports teaching Arabic numerals in elementary schools!?
The difference is that some mosques use some shitty ass loud speaker and the guy doing the call can't hold a note. Like it's fine if they only do it once a week but a daily call is just way too much. Like church bells are annoying too but at least the sound is way more pleasant. Seriously if Muslims in the west want to be more accepted they need to take into account that they live in a non-Muslim majority country and non-muslims do not need the call to prayer and many find it annoying as hell. Acceptance and tolerance is a two way street, can't just force other people to accept your traditions if you aren't willing to accommodate to their traditions too. Like even many churches in my western country have stopped ringing the bells frequently.
Seriously if Muslims in the west want to be more accepted they need to take into account that they live in a non-Muslim majority country and non-muslims do not need the call to prayer and many find it annoying as hell.
Something related and complex is that in turkey, the call to prayer used to be in turkish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_adhan
Now, the theological arguments on this are very complex (all Qurans must have the original arabic in order to stop arguments over translation, etc), but it would be interesting to hear the call to prayer in english.
I now deeply want to hear the call to prayer sung in English in a heavy Minnesotan accent. Any accent really. LA, Texan, Georgian (state, not country; you know what, either).
Yeah and the morning call to prayer can be a bit much when you're trying to sleep in.
It feels like it should be possible to have an app on your phone that will make the all of the religious sounds you need to hear, so not sure why it needs to be blasted throughout a neighbourhood. In the past when people had no way of knowing when it was time to go to the Mosque, having a sound everyone in a town could hear made sense, but you really don't need to wake up the entire neighbourhood at 6am to let a small number of people in that community know it's time to pray.
Also I lived down the street from this. It's not even that loud. I never heard it when I was living there.
Oh, also Minneapolis never burned to the ground. Like right wing people think.
None of the US cities are anything like what they've been led to believe.
It's different because it's not a bell, and it's not white people making the noise. Stupid question.
I hear that Muslims think that anyone that is not blessed in their religion, even infants, will go to hell. They have a single religious leader that has absolute control over their theocratic state and has influence over leaders from around the world (historically, even power over them). They have a history of holy wars, torture of those of other faith, and holding back any knowledge and scientific progress that challenges their doctrine. They adorn their holy places with devices of torture and execution. And they practice ritualistic cannibalism of a holy man regularly, even feeding it to their children.
Oh sorry... that's Catholics.
You're just describing abrahamic religions. This thread is honestly concerning. I grew up in the middle east and I hate seeing this much tolerance of Islam because I experienced the worst of it but oh no people think it's cool and trendy to allow the athan to play t times a day in little fucking Mogadishu now
Fuck any public broadcasting of religion and separate church and state
I'm not defending either religion. I said elsewhere in the thread that I think the Bible and the Quran are full of barbarism and unfit to be a moral guide for anyone. I just love to point out the hypocrisy of American Christians that deem other faiths 'weird' and 'menacing' without acknowledging their own similar flaws just because they have normalized and contextualized their religion and fail to do it for others.
I cant say that I really care about public expression, religious or otherwise, so long as it is not a nuisance (unless it is protest and that nuisance is the point). I dont know how loud the public prayer calls are or at what hours it runs, so I cant really say if it meets that level of nuisance or not. Religion isn't my jam, and I dont want it forced upon me in terms of policy and law. Theocracy is a fucking nightmare. As you said, church and state should be separate; they shouldnt even share borders. But everyone has as much right to express their religion in public as we do to critique it. That's fine by me, man.
I completely agree, and allowing athan to be broadcast is, for me, not the same as public expression. A person wearing hijab, sure. That's an individual choice and personal expression . Lobbying the town hall so you can blast prayer 5 times a day to give the neighborhood a religious 'in-group' feel is borderline exclusionary, and not my jam. I get the vibe you haven't been/lived in a Muslim country. The athan is literally nothing but a nuisance to non Muslims. It's like a 5 minute declaration/command for prayer at full volume 5 times a day.
Personally I think church bells are really annoying too and I'm super glad I live somewhere where they don't do that regularly.
I'm not religious but I've lived near both and the Muslim call to prayer is sooooooo much worse. Not even just the frequency but the call itself - the first time it went off, I muted my music thinking it was some kind of ominous warning. I mean no offense but it sounds like pained wailing.
The bells are quite pleasant imo. But now I live by a Jewish temple and there's no sound, I like that the most