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At least 31 states and the District of Columbia restrict cell phones in schools

New York City teachers say the state’s recently implemented cell phone ban in schools has showed that numerous students no longer know how to tell time on an old-fashioned clock.

“That's a major skill that they're not used to at all,” Tiana Millen, an assistant principal at Cardozo High School in Queens, told Gothamist of what she’s noticed after the ban, which went into effect in September.

Students in the city’s school system are meant to learn basic time-telling skills in the first and second grade, according to officials, though it appears children have fallen out of practice doing so in an increasingly digital world.

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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago

It's a bit scary that anything children were once expected to learn has now become "the calculator". When calculators first came out the cry was 'why do we need to learn to do math any more when this device can do it for us?' Computers continued that trend. Smart phones even more so. It is a part of history that is hard to understand, how did a former, reasonably advanced civilization lose its advanced skills? We might be watching in real time how it happens. Except this time it is us, not an ancient civ.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It's not that stunning, they didn't grow up with them and you don't really see them in public these days.

[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 3 points 39 minutes ago

I work in schools. We have them in every hallway and classroom. But the kids do not know how to read them, and they don't even seem interested to learn even though it would take all of two minutes to wrap their head around. Seen it in the middle and high schools.

[–] Stabbitha@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

We explicitly learned analog clocks in 1st grade, had worksheets and everything. What the hell are schools doing these days?

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 43 minutes ago

People forget skills they don't use. I'm guessing you and I had plenty of practice reading analog clocks over the years until the skill became completely ingrained.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 2 points 36 minutes ago

... Not doing that anymore? Because they're very rare and you can easily get by without it most of the time

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

Judging by the stories my mom has after teaching for decades they no longer really teach anything. Nor are they allowed to. These days they have to follow a script for everything down to how you move your hands and when.

Disruptive student? Just keep teaching like nothings going on.

Student struggling with a subject? Don't stop to help or try a different method to help them learn. No child left behind so they'll still move up a grade even if they can't read or do simple addition.

Just make sure the students are in the classroom so the school gets money. Nothing else matters.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 hours ago

It’s almost like you gotta teach people how to do things, that people aren’t just inherently born with all the knowledge to survive. Crazy I know.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Stunned, I tell you!

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

Good thing they are in that place where all the professional teacher are.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The poor sods probably think time is quantized. But that's philosophically impossible, because that means time is like frames in a movie, but if time consist of a series of still frames, how do we get from one point in time to the next, and how do particles remember their direction or frequency?

Ergo time must be linear, but that too is philosophically impossible, because that creates problems with infinities. Meaning the theory of time must be incomplete as infinity is considered to be outside the valid range of a physics theory.

So time can be neither quantized or linear, but what other options are there?

I'll just have to acknowledge that just as Socrates realized, all I know is that I know nothing. I'm just very very confused, just like those students are over an old analogue clock.

[–] Xittstorm@aussie.zone 5 points 1 hour ago

Our theory of time (more specifically spacetime) is incomplete. Some theory's suggest it is a continuum while others suggest it is quantised. But as this discrepancy applies only at the Planck scale it is somewhat moot to how we experience time: our experience of time is linear and continuous. However clock is necessarily quantised but that is simply because it measures the passage of time in discrete steps. A clock is not time itself.

[–] Cnote5@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Some might call this a "teachable moment ", no?

[–] Xittstorm@aussie.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

Exactly my thought. Not only are you getting the opportunity to teach a skill that had not previously been taught, but you are also able to help kids better understand the concept of time and why we use certain words to define time. Win win.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 12 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Gen-Xer here - do they not teach kids this in kindergarten or 1st grade or w/e anymore?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 hours ago

Students in the city’s school system are meant to learn basic time-telling skills in the first and second grade, according to officials, though it appears children have fallen out of practice doing so in an increasingly digital world.

They're supposed to, but if they never use it because they don't have to, they'll just forget how.

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[–] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I made a video that shows 24 hours in 24 minutes on an analog clock, a 24-hour clock, a 12-hour clock, and a second counter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zMgrbKDiek

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 36 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

“Numerous students”

Gotta love that completely nebulous and undefined number. It also sounds like a non-zero number simply have to be instructed to read the clock in order to understand it. Could be like 20 kids out of a school of 400. Oh noes the education system has completely failed!

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 10 points 4 hours ago

They actually gave us a number but gave it to us on a abacus and now we can't comprehend it.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 64 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (9 children)

Next they’ll be surprised to find that they don’t know long division, cursive writing or 6502 assembly language

[–] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 minutes ago

6502 assembly language

Z80 would be good too. The kids should be able to implement the instruction set on a breadboard by intuition alone. There's something wrong with the teachers and Big School if the kids don't have it running CP/M by the end of the school year, preferably with a working port of Hack.

[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Tbh I think teaching 6502 assembly would be a great idea. You can learn the basics of how computers work without having to deal with all the complexity of a computer from 2026.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

It's better to use an AVR for that. 6502 was a ridiculous kludge for the sake of slightly improved code density.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 6 minutes ago

Is there a such thing as an intentionally simplified assembly language, perhaps one that targets a VM, for ease of development and learning purposes? Like the assembly equivalent of Lua, I guess.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 2 points 38 minutes ago

8 bit MCU series popularized by the Arduino a decade or two ago. Kind of obsolete now but still has some uses and attractions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_microcontrollers

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 30 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Exactly. I’m wondering how many of those teachers could use a slide rule or even an abacus. We’re far enough along now that I bet the majority of teachers would also be lost when confronted with a log table or a topo map and a compass.

Astrolabe and sextant? They’d be totally lost.

I bet most teachers don’t know how to saddle a horse, card and spin wool and flax by hand, or even use a clutch on a manual transmission vehicle, either.

[edit] Ooh… thought of another one! I bet none of the children know how to use a rotary phone either. (In fact, since POTS has been fully DTMF for over 20 years, I doubt a dial phone would actually function today without a converter).

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, we still have analog clocks all around us. Seems to me we should know his to use them... Unlike a sextant.

Still, knowing what those things are and how they work just might be useful if something similar becomes important for some reason.

Those things should be known by at least enough of the population to bring them back and use them if everything goes apocalyptic.

If things start falling apart, I'm throwing in with the Amish.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

Its good to know how to grow a turnip as a fallback skill.

And raise a barn

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 2 points 4 hours ago

These schools don't even teach kids base-8 math. Disgusting.

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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 76 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I've been hearing this since I was a kid, though back then they just blamed the use of digital clocks instead of phones.

[–] hushable@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Elder millennial here, I also struggle reading analogue clocks to this day. I can, but it just takes me a long time to do so. And I've been like this since I was a little kid.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

I used to think it was a meme too and I still think it is to a point. But several of my recent jobs were at universities and I have met several people younger than me now who cannot read an analog clock, use a mouse, copy a file to a flash drive, or make change. To say nothing of their ability to find information that can’t be googled (like the location of a classroom). I have really begun to feel that the general population has absolutely failed GenZ and I really hope we can break the pattern before GenAlpha gets much older.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 19 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"These newfangled analog clocks with hands are killing the ability of people to understand clock bells. Kids these days."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striking_clock

A striking clock is a clock that sounds the hours audibly on a bell, gong, or other audible device. In 12-hour striking, used most commonly in striking clocks today, the clock strikes once at 1:00 am, twice at 2:00 am, continuing in this way up to twelve times at 12:00 mid-day, then starts again, striking once at 1:00 pm, twice at 2:00 pm, and the pattern continues up to twelve times at 12:00 midnight.

The striking feature of clocks was originally more important than their clock faces; the earliest clocks struck the hours, but had no dials to enable the time to be read.[1] The development of mechanical clocks in 12th century Europe was motivated by the need to ring bells upon the canonical hours to call the community to prayer. The earliest known mechanical clocks were large striking clocks installed in towers in monasteries or public squares, so that their bells could be heard far away.

I thought these were still common? Any time I'm near a church they do their thing every 15 minutes, banging one bell 1-4 times and then if it's 4 they bang another 1-12 times, signaling the time.

Well, not entirely, they're usually quiet during the night, but you get my point.

Didn't know people can't understand those anymore.

[–] msmc101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 8 hours ago

i hate this shit, ofc they don't know, who was planning to teach them? certainly not the fucking schools imposing this shit.

[–] tal@olio.cafe 27 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Others have tried to evade the spirit of the ban, using other digital devices sich as older iPods, or bringing walkie-talkies to school.

I'm not an advocate of smartphone bans, but necessity is the mother of invention, and I suppose that if some kids start cobbling together packet radio solutions to talk with their friends and reach the Internet, it'll probably be an educational experience.

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