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Scenario: Undocumented immigrant family in Minneapolis get in their Tesla car to go to work, school or shopping. The doors lock and are disabled via software OTA. Because they are not mechanical, the family can't open the doors. They try to roll down a window, but that too is software controlled. The buttons do nothing. They are trapped.

The car then disables the steering colums via OTA software so the wheel goes limp. It is a drive by wire steering with no mechanical, rack and pinion physical link for the driver to control. Even the brakes are fully drive by wire so the driver can't stop the car.

The cars autodrive engages and sends the trapped family to an ICE detention facility. In a panic the driver tries to turn off the car and finds that button is software controlled as well. The family find they are disconnected from their own car and are left with the choice of smashing a window and jumping out of a moving car, or to be sent to a processing facility for their concentration camp.

Is there any design feature stopping this from from hapening today?

Edit: In hindsight, it seems like this was the obvious design goal all along. The user has been completely disconnected from control of anything and it is to my understanding 100% drive by wire.

Edit 2: Another possibility is simple deactivation so people can't drive out of an area. Imagine ICE sweep an area and deactivate all software controlled cars.

Maybe Trump wants to punish a region showing defiance and disable cars, or cause them to drive to pickup locations.

Edit 3: I'm also reminded of the internal cameras that can use facial recognition to identify undesirables and can either be remotely disabled and report undesirables for ICE pickup, or self-drive as stated earlier. It seems everything about this car is designed for dual use. Weaponizing a consumer good under the guise of features and convenience.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There must be a way to disable the vehicle's remote connectivity. Probably not as simple as opening a fuse though.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm searching for Tesla modders/hackers info but not finding much.

What I can see are articles saying there is a software setting that disables networking and GPS tracking. However because its not open source, those setting might be disabling your use of those features superficially, while everything stays on in the background and is still fully in control of Tesla.

I would love if anyone from the hacker community could speak to this with real experience.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think this assumes Teslas will be way more popular that they ever actually will be.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago

Fingers crossed. But the software controls of similar design are spreading. Let's not pretend governments and corporations don't love controls.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I simply wouldn't trust any technology from a Trump/GOP ally that you aren't forced to.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

~~that you aren't forced to.~~

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Smash the window, you can get one of those hammers for breaking tempered glass and with a belt cutter on the other end.

Now smash a few sensors.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Or don't buy, or get into a swasticar in the first place.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 hours ago

Far more fun to set fire to them at the dealership. They are just sitting there, being all flammable...

[–] officermike@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

As far as I know, every Tesla has a mechanical backup door release. Some are just hidden in such a way that you'll never find them in an emergency if you didn't already know where to look

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Thank you. Still not reassuring. But it is tangible. Why go to such lengths to hide it?

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 9 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

There are researches who have already shown it's possible to see a cars location, stop it, and unlock it's doors. People have also hacked into car cameras and seen in peoples homes etc. Also due to Biden's 2024(?) Infrastructure Act all new cars built have a kill switch that's accessible by a "3rd party". Besides the 3rd party, no backdoor can be made that can't also be accessed by good hackers

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

This is why I keep saying the future sucks. Bring back 1999 please. Cars were perfect until about 2010. People were way to willing to give in to surveillance for sake of convenience. But humans are stupid and lazy above all.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago

I totally agree. Luckily for me I have an old mechanically operated car that I plan to keep forever.

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[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Tesla does have mechanical handles for the doors on the inside. You just need to know how it works.

There are just so many dumb people in the world who does not even know how to turn off for lights, and you expect them to figure out these "hidden" latches?

Jesus, I was driven home by a classmate once, and his windshield was so dirty I turned on the wiper with washing (I don't know what it's called, English is not my mother tongue), and he asked me how I did that. The idiot had had a licence for 2 years, and didn't even know this.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

In the door cubby, covered in everyday items, under a rubber mat then open a latch then pull the cable. In case of emergencies.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

~~Or.... Just hear me out... It's under the door handle: ~~

~~Sometimes people shock me with how ignorant they are, just because they don't like something.~~

I'm the ignorant one here.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Depends on the model.

Tesla Manual Door Release in Rear Passenger Doors (Model 3/Y)

This one is tricky because it is hidden and difficult to open. It helps to have a flashlight too.

Locate the rear door pocket
Remove bottom inner liner 

tesla bottom liner Remove Inner Liner

  1. Locate a square tab on the floor of the pocket (using a flashlight will help)

    Flashlight pictured is from Jowua, on Amazon

  2. Lift the square tab (this is harder than it looks and may require a small tool for leverage) tesla rear door manual release Square Tab tesla rear door manual release Lift Square Tab (may require small tool)

  3. Once the square tab is lifted, you’ll see a white foam piece. Pull the white foam piece, and the door will open

What was that again about shocking levels of ignorance?

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 points 40 minutes ago

The fuck is that? Someone in an emergency is supposed to follow a 13 step instruction just to get out of their (potentially burning) car ?!

The one that @P1nkman showed was already hidden enough, but this is a whole other level

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

H.... o............,....... Fuck. Wait. No. Huh??

What the actual shit???? I have a model 3 (different discussion, I hate Mush as much as the next person) , and this is not how mine is! I'm going to admit that I'm the ignorant person here, 100%!! And thank you for being pedantic, because I needed it in this thread!

But HOLY FUCK THAT'S DUMB!!!

I'm going to edit my comment (not remove anything).

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

A key safety feature built into such automated systems is the ability to physically override the controls if needed. There was actually a case of a plane crash due to this feature and some egregious lapses in safety protocols. Pilot had his kids in the cockpit. Plane on autopilot. Kid sitting at the controls pretending to fly the plane. Accidentally overrides the autopilot and steers it into an unrecoverable spin.

This kind of feature is mandated. If they had some super secret back door to override that, that would be legit cause for civil war. Remotely disabling the car and providing location to ICE to come pick them up is still egregious but something they could currently do.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Their sales would take a massive hit the first time they tried it. (Not that Musk seems to care much about his brand image these days.)

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago

I'm not so sure there is anybody that doesn't already consider Tesla a toxic brand besides people who would approve of this scenario and assume it could never happen to them.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago

Agreed. But as I understand it, it is possible today. If their dream of full autodrive and market domination comes true, then you wouldn't even have a choice in the matter.

Could be a near future where the undesirables take an autocab.

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