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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/61071136

Apparently this will include Linux...

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

It would make it illegal to sell our products there, as our central control unit has an OS, too. I know, I have written it, and I have no plans of implementing an age veryfication system for the people logging in to set and control parameters.

[–] Einhornyordle@feddit.org 5 points 12 hours ago

I'll just copy my comment from a similar bill in colorado, I will leave the link to the colorado bill in, but here is the california bill as well if you want to read it yourself.

The title is very misleading. This is the actual bill that they are trying to pass. The link already includes a summary, so I will just give you an even simpler explanation and some practical examples why this is actually really neat.

First of all, this is not age verification. No IDs have to be submitted, no selfies or videos will be submitted to any age estimation AIs, so put your pitchforks away (for now, until they decide to expand the bill to include these measures as well, then it's time to burn it down). The name of the bill already tells you what it is: Age Attestation. Aka what every piece of software already does before it shows you explicit content.

With the bill in place, every "operating system provider" has to ask you for your age or date of birth during OS setup, which will then be made available to other software via an API. So instead of having to fill in your date of birth or checking "Are you 18+/21+?" boxes, software will use the new API to check instead, saving you the trouble of doing it manually every time for every application that is not made for all ages.

What makes it even better is that the OS does not have to provide your actual age or birth date, the bill has a minimum requirement of just disclosing age-bracket data. So it could work just like age ratings, which also rely on age groups rather than specific years. Also, the bill explicitly forbids asking for more than your age, sharing more than that via the new API and using the entered age data for anything else than the described purpose, like sending it to a server for tracking purposes.

And finally, as mentioned in the beginning, no IDs or anything else as it is with age verification necessary. You can still lie, just enter 1.1.2000 or whatever you want. Nothing changes, except that you will only have to do it once every time you reinstall/reset your OS or buy a new device.

[–] other_cat@piefed.zip 5 points 13 hours ago
[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Impossible to enforce. Pro version of Windows allows for local account creation also with Linux too.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago

Fun fact: Dell now offers their ready made desktops in linux and windows. That never happened before. Windows had to really suck to get that shit go that bad.

[–] wer2@lemmy.zip 11 points 20 hours ago

Not just Linux, but embedded OS's too. Also, the age verification requirement is a "reasonable attempt", so maybe a prosecutor decides full face scan checks are the minimum "reasonable effort". Will it hold up? Who knows, but can you afford to litigate it?

Note, there are not exceptions for headless installs, or OS's without an account.

[–] wendigolibre@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is actually incredible.

  1. Buy all the RAM and video cards. RAM and video cards become too expensive for the average person to purchase.
  2. Push AI for everything until dependency develops.
  3. Sell remote access to computing power. (AI, Streaming video games, remote desktop, etc.)
  4. As the "Operating System Provider," collect all of the personal information necessary to validate that each user is telling the truth about their age.

Result: Zero Individual Privacy- Everything you compute is processed by a computer owned by a big corporation with a backdoor built-in for your authoritarian government (which is owned by billionaires) to surveil.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 8 points 20 hours ago

Anyone who says there is no plan by large groups to control people is a fool. They aren't some secret shadowy group that will vanish into thin air the moment some obese tinfoil hat wearing nutjob with a gun flashes a flashlight at them, but they're so incredibly obvious that it is incredible many are still in denial about it.

Yes, the people at the top are incredibly stupid, but their plan isn't something that needs genius level intellect to work. It just needs a fuckload of money and a compliant legislative branch, and they have both.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

More liberal fascism? No surprise.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Republicans: Full of pedophiles and pedophiles protectors. Hated by every sane person with any kind of conscience.

Democrats: Not on my watch! I can be an asshole too!

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Republicans: Full of pedophiles and pedophiles protectors.

Imagine believing this is just republicans. smh.

Pretty sure they're 100% zionist though (with the possible exception of chomsky).

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago

Get a load of this guy, he actually believes there's more than one side

[–] Archr@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This was passed and signed last October. Why is this just hitting the news cycle?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago
[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Read the legislation. It's not just operating systems, its applications as well! All applications, there are no exceptions. Everything from GIMP to the EHR your Doctor uses to a custom Open Claude bot on Github. ALL of them.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Good thing this will be unenforceable for open source software, or at least things can be forked if they are maintained by bigger companies that need to comply.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 81 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Gavin Newsom should drop out of politics and stick to shitposting about trump. He's much better at that.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Would rather his intern run for president based on the posts.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

gavin newsom was never effective out of local elections, hes well known for that, HES EVEn worst than biden and kamala.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago
[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 92 points 1 day ago (2 children)

standing on a San Francisco street corner, opening my trench coat revealing 40 USB sticks

Hey kid, wanna buy illegal Linux?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It doesn't matter if you're, say, Debian, because they'll just put up some symbolic "not intended for use in state X" and then continue doing whatever they were doing, but if you're Red Hat and actually selling something like Red Hat Enterprise Linux to companies in the state, stuff like this is actually a pain in the ass.

And to reiterate a previous comment, the Democrats have a trifecta in both California and Colorado, and the legislation here is something that they are squarely to blame for. I'd really rather that they knock this kind of horseshit off so that I can go back to being upset with the Republican Party.

[–] night_petal@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It makes me wonder if RHEL will get (or at least lobby for) some kind of carveout, since their intended customers are corporations. It would be really impractical at vest to try to make some headless server try to verify its age.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

i was going to say, this has MICROSOFT stink all over it, or at least palintir.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 37 points 1 day ago

Good luck trying to strongarm foss. Forks and backups included. Also making all linux servers illegal. This will totally not be circumvented. Get lost with your law. Let the parents do the parenting instead of overreaching on mass surveillance and trying to end any form of online anonymity.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My Steam account is 21 years old and can now buy alcohol. Does that count?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 day ago (14 children)

They don't care. They want your face, retina, fingerprints, DNA. All for their LLMs and so they can sell you something else.

Also to blackmail you later if they think they can or just feel like it... because they will put all that shit on an insecure server and some 13 year old hacker in Turkmenistan will leak it and make a killing (literally and figuratively) with it.

[–] Eryn6844@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wrose yet blackmail you with their ai created child pron.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

Or just use real CSAM from their own private collection and place it on your machine. Or even make a deepfake using your face pasted on theirs and those of your children or young relatives or random kids pasted onto the children. If you point out that this is a deepfake and you have the technical knowledge to prove it, they will use that as proof that you are actually trying to frame THEM.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

This will immediately get struck down in court even if it passes, though everyone should make their voices heard in saying this is complete nonsense.

Yet another case of antiquated politicians not understanding technology whatsoever.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 22 hours ago

This will immediately get struck down in court even if it passes

According to you?

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