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Congress to America: What War? (www.kenklippenstein.com)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz to c/politics@lemmy.world
 

In a rebuke of his own party’s rhetoric, congressman Eric Swalwell said this weekend, “Now is the time for values-based arguments against war with Iran,” adding: “NOT process (‘Come to Congress’) ones.”

His point is well taken, but I’m skeptical that the opposition to the strike is focused on the machine that made it inevitable, instead of focused on Trump individually.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

"I don't know if this is technically a war,” Senator Lindsay Graham said of the un-war in Iran on Meet the Press on Sunday.

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But it is not just Trump loyalists who are playing word games. Democrats also have a hard time calling this what it is, with the party’s top officials using terms like “Military attack,” “military operation,” “military assault,” and the like.

Sen. Chuck Schumer says the strikes are “risking wider conflict”; Rep. Hakeem Jeffries says the operation has “brought us to the brink of a possible war.”

What a revolting display of writhing human invertebrates.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Obviously it's a 'special military operation'.

[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Or a special police action to fight the Nazi's?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

War is peace, don’t you know?

[–] NOT_RICK_SANCHEZ@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Republicans like to call what is developing in Iran a “специальная военная операция” or more commonly known as Special Military Operation comrades.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

It's just Sparkling Conflict.

[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Don't worry, guys! If some country bombed, let's say for example, 2 of our buildings in NYC, would we treat that as act of war? Nah… probably not. Surely we'd just shrug and move on with peace negotiations!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I also heard that when just a single harbor was bombed, that too was considered an act of war?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No we would do the right thing and blame the religion that those people ostensibly used to justify their terrorism that about ~1 billion other people practice who don't commit terrorism, become super Xenophobic about it and violate the privacy of countless Americans who practice that religion (or I guess could be mistaken for doing so by idiots?) and completely avoid thinking about what motivated the acts of terror or what the intentions of the attack were (which was to get us to do exactly what we did to a T).

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, of course the US would declare war, but in their confusion they would pick two countries at random

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Canada and Mexico, I'm sorry. Iran is gonna have to invade. Obviously. Theyre upset that you hate their freedom I think?

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, not technically a “war” but a submarine just sank one of their battleships in international waters. That sounds like a war to me.

[–] HermitBee@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

I heard that the submarine captain said "no war" before the torpedoes were fired, so actually no, it's not a war.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Yes yes, of course the US can do all the war stuff, including war crimes, but unless our sacred institutional leaders all agree to call it a war and then sign the sacred war parchment after the master of arms holds the staff of truth then obviously it's not a war. Great stuff, very compelling world we live in.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

This is either a war or an international war crime and you have to remove him plus Hegseth from office.

Decide you fleckless sycophants.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Schrodinger's war: it's only a war if they're confident in winning, otherwise it'll be some euphemism like police action.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I saw that dumbass Anna Paulina do a bunch of semantic games over "boots on the ground". It was a real WTAF moment.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

We ran out of missiles, Lindsey

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

"You will die in our wars and you'll thank us for it."

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To Trump and Hegseth there's no boots on the ground so no war. Trump doesn't want imagery of people being blown up by IEDs, he wants planes and maybe some special force operation.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump doesn’t want imagery of people being blown up by IEDs

Actually, I think he does want that, it makes his job much easier once everybody is shocked by those images, then it becomes time to be patriotic and unify not ask questions.

Is that what will happen? I don't know, but I am confident that is what Trump and Steven Miller think will happen.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That will tank his popularity, not increase it. Now if Iran attacks the US, who the fuck knows.

Trump doesn't like, you know, war. IEDs are war, bombing isn't like, you know, an actual war. It's just bombing and stuff. /s

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Trump doesn’t like, you know, war.

What evidence do you have of this?