Do we have to accept the pardons made by a criminal? I'm sure the complicit figures in government will abide by it but I don't think they shoyld get off scot-free because of a pardon. They shouldn't be valid.
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Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, dismissed Trump’s comments in a statement, saying, “The Wall Street Journal should learn to take a joke, however, the President’s pardon power is absolute.”
It’s just a joke, bro! Unless…
Y'all are the actual government of an entire country. You shouldn't be making fucking jokes in the first place especially when it pertains to the law. And if this was a joke, it's not even a very good one.
The Donvict operates this way, testing the waters to see how far he can go and see what might stick.
my kid reverts to "im just joking" when they know they fucked up, and they are 8. is the potus an 8yo?
Trump has no sense of humor, he doesn't know how to joke
It’s not absolute.
There is a pretty significant chance that Trump won't keep his word.
And that's if he doesn't just die before he has a chance to.
Generally speaking, you want to pardon your Capos because you don't want them ratting on you.
You say this as if trump thinks things through.
Hows that Iran situation going? Oh, he declaired absolute victory? How very odd, and also factually untrue.
You say this as if trump thinks things through.
He's been at this racket for a long while.
Hows that Iran situation going?
Everyone on the inside is making a ton of money.
I’d love it if the media would stop reporting that Trump doing the worst fucking thing imaginable is a “bombshell.”
But this is a bombshell, though? Would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Every single day would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Openly manipulating markets and now betting sites for personal gain. They have already embezzled billions. Crypto scams up the wazzo.
The grift knows no end.
He could do something really funny and have a heart attack before pardoning anyone.
You had me at heart attack
It’s almost like they’re criminals or something.
The response to this needs to be a resounding, "LOL, no," from whatever administration comes next. The constitution gives the President the power of the pardon? Well, if gives Congress power of the purse, but we let him ignore that. The Supreme Court will intercede? One of them is married to a J6er, another one is openly taking bribes, and ar least three of them committed perjury when they told Congress said they wouldn't overturn precedent. Our country can't continue without accountability.
How is this a "bombshell"? Like really? Was this not assumed? Hell we don't even know if this shit is technically illegal, immoral yes completely.
The bombshell is: His staff, despite interacting with the guy daily, believed him, I guess...
Promises like his tax returns, the Epstein Files, payments to contractors, payments to rally organizers, that kind of a promise? Or the promises to stay faithful to his 3 wives, of which he cheated on the prior one with the future one.
Thwump has never understood the definition of the word "promise".
That's quite literally not a way out for these traitors. That will just give the individual states easily winnable cases against anyone that accepts a pardon.
If the non-fascists take back Congress, we can change the current laws & simply extradite the rest of them to the Hague. And we've now seen how fast the federal government can move when it wants to.
At the very least, these traitors are going to be fighting civil lawsuits until they die.
How do pardons work on war crimes?
Trump has previously pardoned at least one guy convicted of warcrimes in US courts. So I assume pardons work just fine, for that purpose.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq
Well that's fucked up.
When you start pardoning everyone... When you start operating so much outside of the law that this becomes SOP....
...You gotta stop and really question if what you're doing is actually right or not.
And this guy is the PRESIDENT? Damn man. For shame.
I know the US has had an extremely troubled history and is constantly making costly ethical mistakes. But... This is just like... An exceptionally dark time for the USA. And that's saying something.
Like, for real. What's the exit plan here? What's the actual outcome of this gonna be? How bad is this gonna get? And how do we, as people, overcome this?
All black pills and cynicism aside, this has got to stop, and the only way it's going to, is with leadership with power. What type of leader is going to be the spearhead for the step forwards?
He will pardon anyone whose useful to him, regardless of the crimes. I'm exhausted trying to get people to understand just how destructive and dangerous it is for him to be in power. None of it matters. He's gonna get away with it all because too many people believe, for no good fucking reason, that something will stop him so the don't have to act.
You know, you always have the power to void any pardons from Trump (create a new law). But that would require you lot to grow some balls which I don't see happening.
Ok hold, that's fine let him do that. Now what the next president should do just assassinate them and then pardon the assassins. Since it seems that we can do whatever the fuck we want with the pardons now.
So what. He promises a lot of things he doesn't deliver. Staffers know that best of anyone.
Why do they need assurances that they'd get pardons?
This is the guy that claimed anyone taking the Fifth was guilty, now promising pardons?
Mamdani is safe!
His pardon means nothing in the Hague.
The Hague means nothing without extradition.
The US government and the entire US Armed Forces would have to be in complete collapse for that to happen without enormous bloodshed.
Unfortunately America wouldn’t let an American appear at The Hague. Like I’m sure they’d send special forces to recover them before that.
America does, and always has, done only what serves America. Biggest threat to world peace for like half their existence.
Until you disappoint him somehow and he ignores your legal peril, like last time