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At least eight people have been diagnosed with measles in an outbreak that started last month in the Philadelphia area. The most recent two cases were confirmed on Monday.

The outbreak began after a child who'd recently spent time in another country was admitted to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) with an infection, which was subsequently identified as measles. The Philadelphia Department of Public Health considers the case to be "imported" but did not say from where.

The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.

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[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 165 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Isn’t this criminal negligence?

Being told by a medical professional to quarantine and wantonly ignoring it is a lot like your mechanic telling you not to drive a car and you doing it anyway.

I don’t see why the family shouldn’t be held to account for every single infection they started by sending their kid to day care.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Except who will arrest them? The cops won't enforce mask or quarantine mandates. COVID fucked all that up.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just say that the kid had a mental breakdown. The cops will come in pronto and shoot the dog.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

They'll bring about 10 to 20 more people if you say he has marijuana or mushrooms too!

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 36 points 2 years ago

Covid didn't fuck it up. Stupid conservatives did that.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If the government truly wants to enforce a quarantine, they can. Remember when the Ebola scare was a thing? I know someone who was caught up in that; They were required to do thrice daily temperature checks, and the CDC would randomly call a landline they set up, around ten times a day. On those calls, they had to report any potential symptoms for every single person in the household. The CDC made it very clear that if they didn’t answer the phone, the feds were coming inside with hazmat gear to verify they hadn’t snuck out. It was basically house arrest without the ankle monitors.

They had to have a very awkward conversation with their boss about it, because they were working as a lowly retail worker at the time. It was basically “hey uhh… You’ve seen the Ebola stuff in the news right? Yeah, I won’t be able to come in for a little while, because the feds say I’ll be arrested if I leave my house.”

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 99 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sending a child with a highly infectious disease that is as dangerous and potentially deadly as measles into a day care should be held accountable. This is reckless endangerment of other peoples' lives.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The parents and the child were unvaccinated and the parents refused medication. I'd hazard a guess that they're on that anti-vax esoteric shit.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hopefully DCFS can investigate them then. They are endangering not just the lives of their own child but others too. I would be livid if I was a parent and these idiots got my kid sick.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Agreed. It would be nice if people weren't so pressured to go to work for money that they could take care of children rather than feeling like you need to abandon them for a job. I'm not saying they did this. But over 3/4 of my sick days last year was to take of my kid. And when I had COVID, I was out and the statutes to pay me were gone.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

If any subsequent children die due to this outbreak, charge the parents that sent the sick child to daycare with murder.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

...and apparently did not get the kid vaccinated and refused medication.

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[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Or charge them with reckless endangerment now and tack on manslaughter charges later.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

This should just generally be the case with vaccine refusal. If you refuse a vaccine and kill someone, that should be manslaughter

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 10 points 2 years ago

Regardless of if anyone dies, they put others at risk by not quarantining. I don't view this as any different than waving a gun around in public. They should be prosecuted for endangering others.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

SSPE will fuck up your brain, you do not want measles spreading, get your vaccine if you're due for it.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Unfortunately my wife cannot get the MMR vaccine. She essentially has to quarantine whenever there is a case in the area.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People just don’t care about others anymore.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nah, these selfish assholes have always been there. They're just more visible with cameras and phones everywhere, and outrage-based news seeks these kinds of stories out.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can we deport these deplorables yet? They're uncivilized and a burden on the tax payer funded system.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Deport to where? Who would even take them?

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Florida, then fence the entire state off and write it off as a total loss

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who do these people work for? Their sick day policies bear a lot of the blame.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Maybe, but a lot of people go to work when slightly sick despite their company having a good policy.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It is true. You can still hear people on the news saying that we should have just ingnored the original strain of Covid and overrun the hospitals. Who gives a shit if a bunch of old people and immune compromised people died?

However, if you have a jackass working for you, you have to tell them to stay home and not take down the entire department.

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[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I know this isn't the point, but I'll never get over that something as big and expensive as world class hospital could be built and they named it "chop". No one said anything?

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[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Yeah it sucks the family ignored the quarantine orders, I agree. Maybe they should be held liable for that.

What concerns me more, and what we should be talking about, is that the kid shows up at the hospital and two other patients contact the disease. At the hospital.

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health. This along with other hospital borne illness and the insane amount of preventable deaths from medical negligence should concern all of us.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Measles is incredibly infectious, it's why we eradicated it in the first place. Plus there are rules to follow in a hospital waiting room specifically designed to avoid that.

But it relies on people actually following rules, and we can assume someone that didn't vaccinate or follow quarantine procedure is not a big fan of following "meaningless" rules. And meaningless to them is any rule they don't understand. Unfortunately they actively try to understand as little as possible so no one can accuse them of being the very scariest word to them right now, "woke".

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The most infectious we've encountered and recorded.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Waiting rooms are the worst. I'm so glad we finally have the technology to allow us to check in from home and completely avoid waiting rooms.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

It sounds like it wasn't obvious the first child had measles when they were admitted. The initial symptoms don't include the rash. Measles is uncommon here, and it's ludicrously infectious, well above flu or most other similar-appearing diseases.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/symptoms/signs-symptoms.html

It also sounds like, as soon as they realized, the hospital tried to prevent the spread by giving medication to those exposed. This parent refused it.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health.

Being in a place where sick people are is a threat to your health. Sick people go to the hospital. What do you think the hospital is for?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I ask that you rethink this direction.

Hospitals, and people who are trying to save lives, should not be held responsible for the negligence of the ignorant few.

They spend a lot of time, money, and training on preventing Hospital Acquired ID, but they can only prevent so much. Sometimes it's due to negligence, but they can't restrain a child in a waiting room, they can't stop 100℅ of spread. Without knowing the facts of the case (which they are surely reviewing), please don't jump to blame.

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[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Contrary to popular belief, the hospital is not a completely sanitary place.

Rather, it's a place they try their absolute hardest to keep as sanitary as possible because they don't want the healthy people (doctors, nurses, visitors, etc.) to get sick and because they don't want the sick people (patients) to get even more sick.

Germs can unfortunately slip through the cracks even if every procedure is followed to the letter. There are times where they break procedure either on purpose or by accident (and doctors and hospitals can be put on the hook, legally, for those times), but this doesn't seem to be one of those times given what we know right now.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

There’s a lot that could be better about my home country, such as the weather, but I am thankful for mandatory vaccinations. I know many of my stupid relatives who wouldn’t have gotten their vaccine if it wasn’t mandated.

Some things shouldn’t be left to the “wisdom of the masses”.

[–] Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 years ago

Goddamned antivax fascists

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