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If the most powerful people in the world don't have to care about the suffering they cause to hundreds of millions then I'm not going to be shamed into caring about insect's supposed subjective experience of pain.
Also the fact that bug's are silently going extinct and nobody cares to notice, seriously stick your head out the window right now and listen, that is a silent apocalypse my friend.
dont care
Pain would cause an animal to flee. Why wouldn't every living thing have some sort of pain tolerance?
Obviously advanced life forms will feel pain, why did we think otherwise?
Weirdly, it seems like "yes" for a large chunk of people. A lot of people seem to think only humans have a large gambit of emotions. Others think it's just mammals. It leads to a weird number of people who seem to think a lot of animals don't really feel anything
But, feeling is such an efficient and proven manner of influencing behavior of complex systems. Make it feel hungry, then it looks for food. It’s phenomenal. Why would we assume simpler beings rely on anything different?
Some people don't even believe in evolution, do there it is.
And besides that, some people want to believe their food don't have feelings.
It makes sense all organisms feel some sort of pain because it's related to self preservation, but not all of them have an ability to communicate about the pain. And even less number of them communicate pain in a way we could understand, and even less that we actually care to listen.
I lovr how there are a half dozen or so "well obviously duh' comments in here each with a half dozen or so replies all stating 'well not so obviously'
The very idea that others don't feel pain, when they're animals, just like we are is so fucking insane that I just don't can't deal with those people.
Noooo 😭 the poor cricket's antennae...
Dude what is this news? Of COURSE insects feel pain? A child can see this clearly, as I did when I was a young'un. They twitch and scurry when injured or burned. Don't ask. Anyway.
Why would they be different from animals and FISH that was apparently news as well, that they feel pain and anxiety when caught and killed. Oh and crayfish and lobster when boiled alive 😂😂😂 why wouldn't they feel pain? It just seems so stupid to me to assume they wouldn't.
Here I thought we already knew this and did it anyway because... We gotta eat, right? Animals kill and eat barely-even-dead prey all the time, it's just nature, right??
But I grew up and learned humans don't think other animals feel pain whatsoever. Like bruh wuuuut???? Whatchu think was going on?!
Ok, now do sponges. Is it obvious sponges feel pain? How can you tell it's obvious?
I don't know whether they do or not but they have very primitive nervous systems and just responding to bodily trauma or negative stimuli does not inherently imply feeling pain
Hopefully an advanced race doesn't put you in a room, break your shit, and say the same thing to each other.
But the fact that they do, just like we do, should be an indication of them feeling pain, so I don't understand why people would assume the opposite. They have made every indication of feeling pain before we knew about nervous systems and all this modern stuff, so I really don't get it.
They do but not like mammals do. Injury occurs, their nervous system responds, but their “brain” does not register it to the same degree it would in animals with more evolved brains. This video is a good example of the processing power of insect “brains”. The mantis is processing “eat” and the pain of being gnawed in half simply can’t over power the drive to eat. There’s not a mammal or bird that would ignore being chewed in half just because it was enjoying a succulent meal. Recognizing that different animals process pain in a way different from others is not license to disregard their pain or lessen the suffering, it’s just acknowledging that different systems process hurting in a different manner.
Very interesting video, and also super gross, yuck.
Makes me curious if all insects can be this oblivious in similar experiments.
But they are literally not like us. They don't have blood have exo skeletons.
That's not really relevant to the topic here.
Now whose putting human emotions on a bug. They are not small humans and do not have the same emotions.
I'm not talking about emotions. Pain is not an emotion. Pain is a sensation.
It's the same people who argue against plants being living things.
I really don't get it bro 😂
People claim fish don't feel pain to feel better about torturing and eating them. So that is not ahocking at all to me
It's tick season, I'm using bug spray...
Pain is probably one of the original sensations. I doubt you could find any creature on Earth that doesn't feel it. It is extremely useful for staying alive. I bet we will find out plants even feel some form of pain if we haven't already.
I've seen videos of single cell organisms, and even they look like they feel pain when stabbed or eaten.
On the contrary I've seen one where one cell passes straight through another cell, making a hole. The cell that was passed through did not react at all and kept about its business afterwards, even regaining shape. Wild.
It depends on how you define "creature" and "pain". There's surely some single cell life that doesn't. Are those creatures? Also, for plants, there's growing evidence that many do release chemicals when hurt, which other plants and animals react to. Is that pain? I'd answer yes to both of those, but both are not hard definitions. They can be argued either way.
There's been several studies that say they might, but nothing entirely conclusive. Some say that the smell of freshly cut grass might be the grass screaming in pain and warning the rest.
It's not to warn the rest, it's even way cooler.
The smell attracts carnivores, and tells them "Hey there's some tasty herbivores over here" so they take care of the problem. The grass is snitching on the sheep.
Presumably that's why we like the smell of freshly mown grass, too (but such statements are impossible to prove in evolutionary biology).
I see, that's why sometimes we have to touch grass, so we can high five it for being a bro.
I didn't need a paper for that.
Over the many decades I've been alive, there have been regular articles saying "scientists discover that such-and-such an animal may feel pain." And then its forgotten and people continue to treat animals terribly, until a couple of years later a similar article comes out. I can't see where the thought would even come from in the first place that these animals wouldn't feel pain, except for religious dogma and a desire to continue abusing animals while telling yourself it's OK. There's no reason to even suspect most animals aren't feeling pain.
Why would you assume another organism can feel pain without any proof? Rationalism requires skepticism.
It and things like it go back forever. I had grad school teachers that say animals don't think. Obviously they do and its not just monkeys and birds and dolphins. Now the thought processes get more basic as you go down but its all there. dreams and such.
I seriously don't understand people's assumption that insects don't feel pain, or people who think bug spray is a painless option to kill. Seeing the bugs squirm for half an hour should probably clue you in. Personally it's my last resort.
Neurotoxins make them squirm but also woozy. I think this is a ok way to go.
Though only for vampire flies and gnats, in a closed room.
Wasps you can shoo away with a spray bottle and lavendel oil or another oil they hate, there are lists of plants online.