They say debian is free and has its promise, but Arch has like 2-4 maintainers?
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Why wouldn't we? Lemmy has at least 12 real people.
I'm a real people, and I'm livid that I shouldn't respond with a paragraph about Mint because this is obvious shitposting.
That's right, you are a real people! You can tell you're real because your eyes are real eyes.emoji . This was first discovered by the early 21st century philosopher β jayden smith.
So are you, Bruce. You're also real, and don't need to dress up in a rubber suit for attention. You're good enough.
If you know vaguely what you're doing or are willing to learn, you can go with whatever and it'll be fine.
Personally not a big fan of debian because they tend to be slower and more conservative on updates. Arch is a bit more technical, but very customizable.
I'm personally a big fan of Fedora. Software updated quickly enough to have all the bells and whistles, slow enough to not get cut by bleeding edge software.
Gentoo is where you learn the most about Linux and software in general.
Long time gentoo advocate(/fanboy) here, and so, it stings a little to say this, but, there are ways to use gentoo that do not have you learn as much about your system as, say, e.g. CRUX, KISS/Carbs, LFS(?), starting with just a busybox and kernel, Exherbo, or even many ways of using slackware [and several other suggestions yet, but gotta cut the list short somewhere].
Gentoo's very conveniently wrapped up with portage. So conveniently, you can be forgiven for lingering in the convenience and not venturing deeper into what the convenience wraps around. It's not a thick opaque plastic wrap like some distros that try hard to lower the entry bar, but it is still convenient. ... Conveniently availing advanced fidelity of choice over what you're installing, conveniently managing complexity in simplicity, but ultimately a convenience trap still none the less. ... Many Gentoo users look like uneducated yokels in flying saucers, compared to those who actually do compile their software themselves (they run make), rather than those who have emerge do it for them. [Or an even more extreme example, we're like anyone using an LLM voice assistant.] As in: We're not superior skilled savvy sysadmin, we just have better tools.
And why do the effort of learning to become better, when the machine does it for you.
But then, with gentoo, you do still have the choice. Gentoo is all about choice.
One can try say same for any distro, and that's true, for all being (mostly) Free Software ("Opensource") and so can study (freedom1) it to whatever depth your curiosity takes you, but, Arch does try take some of your choice away from you, not the freedom to study it, but in that it insists it have the freedom to bite you. [ Though, there be ways to mitigate that ]. Debian (or Devuan), Gentoo, Suse, and others, let you opt-in to the fast lane. Arch seem to be screaming "COME WITH US, FAST AS WE CAN!!!" and leaving little room to hear anything about taking arch to a slow lane.
It was mostly sarcastic suggestion, but as you said, you can hit the ground running with Gentoo nowadays very quickly, and go back and revisit every part of it and play around with it, and learn about everything later.
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Debian is rock solid, there are even more user-friendly distros though. In a few edge-cases it will expect you to know your way around things, however there are a lot of guides for it. Going with this will cause the growth of a mighty white beard!
Arch Linux will make you cry. If you want to learn how to fix and configure things it's great (and their wiki arguably is the greatest of all), but their lack of QA and expectation to do that yourself often causes issues. You'll probably cut your fingers on its bleeding edge. If you want to learn with less bleeding I'd recommend CachyOS these days. I'm certainly not saying this because my computer didn't boot after updates multiple times. /s
HOWEVER if you have an Nvidia GPU, first off: I'm so sorry. Secondly, you absolutely (!) should use a distro that takes care of their driver for you. Their drivers are hot steaming garbage that you do not want to meddle with (many distros try their best to do it for you, but often enough it won't work for some people). See below, Nvidia distros marked with recycling symbol.
A few other options to consider with noticeable features:
- Bazzite (β»οΈ): If you mainly play games. User-friendly, most compatible with handhelds next to CachyOS. Takes care of a lot of small things related to gaming.
- Fedora: If you want modern features on a very stable system. Very good ecosystem. Basically the other stable workhorse next to Debian. Will spawn a nice hat on your head, m'lady.
- OpenSuse: Also very stable, best distro for those concerned about US influence (it's strongly EU-based). Tumbleweed arguably most stable rolling-release distro (newest system software) with a great graphical settings' tool YaST (future unknown, unfortunately). Leap is rock-solid but slow, meant more for Office PCs and Enterprise users. After installing this you'll suddenly start talking german.
- Linux Mint: If you want things to just work with the flattest learning curve possible for former Windows victims. Helpful tips for Ubuntu usually apply and that weird software offering you a manual download for Ubuntu will just work.
- ElementaryOS: Very good for users used to MacOS, probably flattest learning curve for them. Great accessibility! Not as feature rich as others (their whole desktop is made in-house, so it's very cohesive but a lot of work for them), but what they have is very well tested.
- ZorinOS (Core): Also very good. Most likely the one with the biggest software selection from the start (comes with both Snap and Flatpak pre-configured). Probably the one you'd eventually find on some school computer.
And three others interesting if you might buy new hardware soon (damn, you rich):
- TuxedoOS (β»οΈ): Default OS on devices from Tuxedo Computers (EU). Works on any machine and is a really nice distro in general.
- SlimbookOS (β»οΈ): Default OS for Slimbook (EU) devices. Also nice.
- Pop_OS! (β»οΈ): Default OS for System76 (US) devices. They're currently developing a whole new desktop environment (Cosmic), so their normal release hangs a little bit behind. It's okay though. Be aware it's from a US company (not just maintainers, but commercial entity). Fucked up Linus Tech Tips once.
[Arch's] wiki arguably is the greatest of all
100% agree. Even as a Fedora user, in the rare occasion I have some obscure issue the Arch wiki is a godsend. Even though I've never actually used Arch, I'm still extremely grateful for the work they do on documenting every little thing for desktop Linux. A lot of that info is applicable for all Linux desktop distros.
Yup. Arch's wiki's one of the two best things Arch has going for it.
Thankfully, don't have to use Arch to make use of arch wiki.
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If you have to ask, you definitely don't want Arch
Two extremes here. Debian is slow to update while arch is bleeding edge.
I avoid containerized desktop apps (snap, flatpak) so I couldn't run Debian as a daily driver. You'd want to use the latest FireFox and their repo's release is old. You you can get it from flatpak, but I don't want to do that. Running on recent (<1y) hardware will also be problematic. I guess you could keep on adding 3rd party repos to your install, though some post from debian forums always stuck with me: "Debian is only what is released + whats in the official repo. Install anything else and you're not running debian anymore.". Its a whacky OS and I love it, but daily drive it only on my server.
Arch puts everything on their repo straight away. And if its not there, you're downloading code from AUR and building it yourself. I actually appreciate this since it complies with the philosophy that you can't really trust your applications unless you read the source and build it yourself. Awesome, but the general public shouldn't be doing this... I don't mind applications being distributed in binary form. I am able to trust linux community maintained repositories. Arch is for the geeks imo.
I found Fedora to be a good middle ground, since it gets package updates straight away while still maintaining fixed OS releases. No need for snap or flatpaks since their repo has everything and is updated. Its also widely supported by software vendors (just like debian). Id go with it as a recommendation, but still note that its philosophy is free software only and this can potentially mean tinkering with additional stuff from RPM fusion, especially if you dance with nvidia and watch videos encoded with non free codecs.
It takes a bit of time to find the right distro and that is the biggest obstacle to linux imo.
I avoid containerized desktop apps (snap, flatpak) so I couldnβt run Debian as a daily driver.
Wat? this is the dumbest take of the day.
Feel free to chose either one, but avoiding Debian for this reason is just plain wrong.
It takes a bit of time to find the right distro and that is the biggest obstacle to linux imo.
Itβs also the greatest benefit. Vanilla stuff works out of the box for most, but once you need more, thereβs a paved runway headed in any direction you want to go (some in better shape than others to be fair).
Windows and OS X are certainly wider runways, but there are cliffs off the side of you want to change direction.
Good things usually take time, but you will know where you are when you get there.
Out of curiosity, why avoid Flatpak? I get snap or AppImage, but Flatpak is generally great.
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Why have you forsaken God? You should be praying in TempleOS.
Isn't it true that a server running TempleOS has the best protection against remote exploits?
Yes, the networking stack is perfectly protected for it only connects directly to the heavens via faith based prayer-wave.
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The fact that you're asking this suggests you might be new to linux so go Mint but if it has to be one of those two then Debian
Linux Mint Debian Edition. Best of both worlds.
The lack of PPA support might bite you though. For newcomers I'd strongly recommend staying with the standard Mint (Cinnamon) version, any reason not to is highly technical and more of an issue for the maintainers.
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I've been a Debian guy for a long time for one reason, stability. I don't game a lot, but haven't had an issue in years, my son uses arch and games way more than I do, but he also has to fix a lot more stuff that updates seem to break.
If you are under 30 I almost want to encourage Arch as you'll be forced to learn a bit more over time and learning is never a bad thing. If you might game some, but value a rock solid system, go Debian.
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Debian is chosen for Satellites because it is "stable", that is it doesn't do major changes like changing the Kernel.
Arch isn't for beginners, but it's a rolling release distro that's nice and simple but powerful.
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Debian Unstable, if you like to live dangerously and have to reboot every couple of years.
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I like that even without the "/s"
try one for a week, switch to the other for a week, and if you feel like it, switch to any other whenever you want
I use both, debian on servers and old machines, arch on my desktop. Arch being rough is way overblown in my experience, the install script makes it straightforward to setup and it's been pretty much painless since I switched to it two years ago, I had experience with debian before that. Both arch and debian have fantastic documentation available.
Debian and derivatives, in my experience, are really well supported so that's a plus. Age of packages has never really bothered me and cases where I want bleeding edge there's options for that.
Both are solid options and I don't think you'll be upset either way, if you can I'd try both.
If you are interested in maintaining your OS as an ongoing and constant project, go with Arch. You will learn a lot about Linux, and about system administration in general. You will also have entire days where you are unable to do anything productive with your computer because the last update broke userspace again and you can either spend a lot of time troubleshooting your specific problem, or spend a lot of time reinstalling and reconfiguring your system.
If your computer is more than just a hobby platform and you need to use it regularly for any kind of productivity, go with Debian. Set it and forget it.
Either way, off-system file backups are recommended.
Unless you intentionally doing something wrong or have close to zero experience with linux there might some of the problems you've mentioned, also you can expect similar on debian if you are having them on arch.
Anyway, I would recommend something other to OP because both of these distributions require some non-zero experience with linux. (Also OP itself feels like trolling)
Is your hardware ten years old or more?
Do you want a system made up of software that is on average 3 years old?
Do you want absolutely ridiculous stability for the uptime memes?
Are you a fan of the idea that every design decision should be done by a committee of theoretically democratically chosen developers but is actually just whoever wants the job because there is never any real transparency or motion about when the meetings are, much less when elections are?
Does the idea of your operating system being compatible not because its good but because it's just the largest base thanks to corporate investment make you moist?
Then pick Debian.
If you answered no to literally any of those options then go ahead and pick an Arch flavor, or Arch itself.
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Just get Cachyos its what I use and is super easy and based on Arch
I highly recommend Mint Cinnamon, especially if this is your first foray into Linux.
If you want your system to be reliable, stable and in essence boring: Debian.
If you want to be hands-on, on the bleeding edge and updating daily: Arch.
Debian user that reccomends it. I don't game or need latest gizmos. I want and have a computer that is very reliable and maintenance free.
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