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My recently widowed father (72) is planning a trip across the country to meet a woman who he claims called him by accident and with whom he has since built a romantic (remote) relationship. Here's what he's shared with me:

  • He received a "wrong number" call from a woman that led to a number of other conversations online and on the phone that started to take on a romantic tone.
  • He believes she is real because he has checked her out online, including validating that she is indeed the CEO of her company, is 40 years old, and is originally from Taiwan. Haven't seen this myself.
  • She says she runs this company with her brother in Canada and her father back in Taiwan. The details of the company were not clear to me.
  • They have exchanged photos but not video because her webcam is not working.
  • He is planning a trip to Los Angeles (from the East Coast of US) in a few months to meet her in person. She said her driver will pick him up at the airport.
  • No money has been asked for or sent, according to him.

This is obviously a scam, right? But, without there being an ask for money I can't figure out the angle and haven't been able to convince him to disengage.

It is either going to be an ask for money to help her overseas family or a "can't lose" investment in her company. I'm guessing she'll back out of the travel plans last minute so they never meet OR he's going go there and have his organs harvested.

Does anyone recognize this scam? What should we expect next? Has anyone else successfully talked their elderly loved ones out of one of these?

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[–] robear@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 minutes ago

Your dad is a horny dog trying to date someone over 30 years younger than him.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 12 points 2 hours ago

No organs will be harvested: he's too old for that. But it doesn't mean he won't be butchered: he will be butchered like a pig

The meeting will be called off last minute and it will either be a shady investment or ill father in South Asia.

It is utterly important for you to stay with him and plan this through, as it seems like he already trusts the scammer more than you. You are losing him.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 7 points 2 hours ago

Just in case he needs some more red flags

Relationship expert weighs in on how many red flags are too many to ...

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Being the CEO of a company and not having a working webcam seems like a dead straight no-brainer giveaway that this is a scam. I mean, you know... a CEO who can't do video Zoom meetings? Come on.

So he's flying to LA to be taken who knows where alone in a car with her driver? Dude NO, absolutely NOT. Please talk your dad out of this, srsly.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

A lot of people mentioned the broken webcam as evidence of the scam. I would add that modern AI tools can deepfake a video stream, apparently this already happens in other tech scams where the scammers immitate real people that have a LinkedIn account and existing online presence.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago

And because her web cam doesn’t work, she might have use Linux.

[–] felix@misskey.io 5 points 2 hours ago

@laranis@lemmy.zip what about check out the registration of that company at Taiwan with official site? https://gcis.nat.gov.tw/mainNew/

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Or... Hear me out. Maybe, just maybe this lonely, beautiful, youthful 40 something CEO, who can't dial a phone number really IS in love with your 72 year old dad. I mean stranger things have happened. Either way, this could be fun.

You know... Just a thought.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

If only your clarity of thought could be conveyed effectively to him.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Among your other points, a wealthy 40 year old CEO looking for romance is going to pick a guy below her age, not one who's 72.

Pretty sure the only organ they'll harvest is his wallet but they can cut pretty deep financially, and break his heart.

Know any real women who might make a better match for him?

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 hours ago

I think this is part of the problem. He doesn't have a strong social circle and most of what it had been had been her friends, now mostly lost. He's still pretty healthy but has other life situations keeping him trapped in place. Figuring out how to get him out of the house might be a good next step, once we can break him of this.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 149 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

^^ This. here's a bit of the show Last Week Tonight going over how the scam works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLPpl2ISKTg

[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 5 points 2 hours ago

John Oliver deserves a Congressional Gold Medal in recognition for all of his work. He has made a point of not only reporting on, but actively antagonizing, bad people in positions of power and bad corporations. And he's managed to be quite funny while doing it. The man is a national treasure.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Appreciate this. Seems right on the money.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago

Have him watch this!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 31 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Man, if I had a nickel for every time I saw this:

Wrong number ✅
Beautiful Asian woman living in LA ✅
Owns her own business, jewelry/fashion design/finance ✅
Mysteriously keeps the conversation going even when told it's a wrong number ✅

Tries a romance angle to suck you in to a crypto "investment" in 3-2-1...

Typically run out of boiler room call centers in Myanmar using, essentially, slave labor:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2d3w90x86po

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

He did mention specifically she was "oriental" as if it was some kind of check in the "not a scam" column.

Not sure the link there... Is it a known thing that old men have a weak spot for women of Asian heritage?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I don't know about "weak spot" but there is a certain fetishization of Asian women they may be leaning in to.

https://yellowchaircollective.com/the-cultural-and-historic-roots-of-the-fetishization-of-asian-women/

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 147 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

She’s probably going to say her car/something broke down and she needs money ASAP to meet him.
Also, lol @ CEO of a company that doesn’t have any device with a working camera…

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 44 points 8 hours ago

This alone is enough honestly.

Every cell phone for the last 10+ years has a front facing camera and internet connection.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 34 points 10 hours ago

Last time I saw that happen, it took all of 30 seconds to walk one office over and appropriate that laptop

[–] CallMeAl@piefed.world 103 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What should we expect next?

Likely she will cancel the trip at the last second and claim to have a work or family emergency. Then she will need money.

Or shortly before the trip she will share an investment opportunity and offer him to join her in it. It will turn out to be fake.

Or both.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Hey now. There's also the "lure someone to a remote location, kidnap him, and beat him up until he transfers you a bunch of money".

[–] CallMeAl@piefed.world 25 points 8 hours ago

That's very unlikely. These romance/pig butchering scammers operate from outside the USA and have no interest in attracting the kind of attention such an attack would bring.

Planning the trip is almost certainly to build trust and make the relationship seem real. All with the goal that the target willingly gives the scammer the money. If he goes to Los Angeles after she cancels, there will be no driver to pick him up.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 66 points 10 hours ago
[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 49 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

One of my uncle is currently involved in scams like this one with multiple women at the same time. They all love him, they all want his money. Last time I checked, he lost most of his money and almost became homeless.

I hope you can do anything to your father because he will lose a lot.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 hours ago

One of my uncle is currently involved in scams like this one with multiple women at the same time. They all love him, they all want his money.

that's awesome, that he's stringing them along and wasting their time

Last time I checked, he lost most of his money and almost became homeless.

oh... :/

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 32 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Scamming old people has grown into a massive and well organized industry that brings in billions in profits per year. It is a huge problem that has continued to get worse. As others have said, this is 100% a scam. They will inevitably use any number of techniques to extract money from him. It is very possible they already have and he just hasn't told you yet, it is not uncommon for the victims to be secretive about what the scammers are getting them to do.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, OP's dad has probably already gotten instructions to hide anything problematic.

"You know I wouldn't ask you to hide anything from your kids, but don't tell them about this one thing. It'll just upset them and they won't understand how it is for us"

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 36 points 10 hours ago

This is a scam. 1000%. Do what you gotta do to stop it.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 39 points 10 hours ago

Yes it's a scam. Likely there will be money requests forthcoming.

[–] snowe@programming.dev 25 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Good opportunity for him to say he doesn’t have the money right now, can she buy him the plane tickets and get himself a nice little free trip to LA. She’ll obviously say no, and boom he’s out of it.

[–] SouthEndSunset@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

He won’t want to get out of it.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

But this particular method might get him to realize "she" wouldn't spend a dime on him, and that might raise some doubts...

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

OP here. This is part of my issue with this whole situation. He's not a dumb guy. He knows better. Or knew better. Always been good with money, always had a cynical view of any institution (correctly, as it turns out). In addition to figuring out how to get him out of this I need to come to grips with the fact he's not the same man who I knew.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yep. When the mark turns the tables and becomes the one with the "broken wing" it changes everything.

It's a great way to smoke out people in your life who take up a great deal of your own time and resources, like this scammer, but do not actually give a shit about you: when you are unable to do for them as usual because now it's your own wing that's broken, and could they step up and carry their own weight right now, they clear out entirely and wait to come back when they think you're ready to give again.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

web camera is not working

In 2026 that's the most obvious sign it's a scam. However even these days you can have live AI visual and audio filters.

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[–] siv9939@lemmy.zip 27 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

My dad is on his third one of these. The first one eventually said she could help him buy Bitcoin at which point he realized it was probably a scam and stopped talking to her. I can't remember what happened with the second, but the third invited him out to the west coast so he could drive her fancy super car. I'm guessing before it gets that far she'll bring up money and he'll realize it's a scam again.

I'm not too worried about my dad yet because he doesn't get too invested in the whole thing and isn't one to send money to people, but I plan on bringing it up if he ever brings up sending money to, or visiting one.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Christ, I got solicited by my fucking cab driver to buy Bitcoin. These people are everywhere. They're constantly dangling "I can hook you up" bait in front of anyone who will listen. It's downright suffocating.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 6 points 5 hours ago

Christ, I got solicited by my fucking cab driver to buy Bitcoin.

lol

If he knew some secret technique to making lots of money with Bitcoin, he wouldn't be a fucking cab driver, now would he?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.pitzlfinancial.com/blog/ode-shoeshine-boy

"In 1929, at the height of an economic boom in America, Joseph Kennedy Sr. (father of JFK) was working as a stockbroker on Wall Street. As the story goes, Joseph was walking around when he decided to sit down for a shoeshine. While polishing his shoes, the young worker gave Joseph some of his favorite stock picks. When Joseph heard the shoeshine boy giving out stock tips, he figured the party was about to end, and it was time to get out of the market. Joseph proceeded to exit his positions in the market and bought short positions that bet on the market going down.

Shortly after that, the stock market entered a free fall. On Monday, October 28, 1929, the market dropped about 13%. The next day it fell another 12%. These became better known as Black Monday and Black Tuesday, and ushered the United States into The Great Depression.

Now did Joseph profit from this type of bet? Absolutely. It's estimated that he made somewhere north of $150 million during that period, which equates to roughly $3.5 billion in today’s dollars.

Did he make these bets based on the shoeshine boy? Probably not, but it makes for a good narrative."

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Now did Joseph profit from this type of bet?

Joe Kennedy was famously a booze smuggler who profited most handsomely from black market liquor imports during Prohibition.

I'm sure he made some savvy stock trades in his day, but the seed of his fortune was the illicit sale of alcohol.

I think these (largely apocryphal) stories overlook how shoeshine boys have been giving stock tips during rain and shine for centuries. I wish it was the sign of a peak, but it's more the continuation of an enduring trend.

[–] Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

Yep. My grandpa has lost everything after my grandma passed away. So many young women want him! And he could make so much money if he just buys some supplies! And this and that and scam scam scam.

I'd feel bad for him if he hadn't disrespected the memory of my grandmother so damn quickly after being sucked into these scams.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 hours ago

Deepfakes combined with a romance scam. Pretend to be someone with a legitimate background that you father can verify himself, legitimised with synthetic images and voice (video isn't quite there in terms of reliable quality, so they stick to static images), some of which will even contain current dates/events and even his name written out, all to make it seem like a real person.

The scammer is playing the long con, building a relationship and slowly working towards a situation where your father wants to give them money, or even slips up and provides them with some sort of access to his accounts. It's not going to be sudden or obvious. They may not even ask directly, but craft a scenario where your father offers himself.

https://youtu.be/srr0rRgF2Fw

https://youtu.be/ACijyfS3ya4

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 10 points 9 hours ago

Here's the thing: Even if she could do a video call, that doesn't really prove anything.

Having said that, she's 40 and she's a CEO. If her "webcam is not working" she has the means to rectify that quickly. Not to mention, there's basically no chance a 40 year old CEO of an international organization doesn't have a phone that can do video calls, let alone no laptop/device capable of it. It's pretty much going to be essential for that type of job. She'd buy a new laptop, new phone, get the existing stuff fixed.

Yes it's a scam. There are many variations of how these work and there's not always a one size fits all script. They'll say whatever it takes and it could be anything.

Some will ask for money directly. Some will lure the target into crypto scams. This general type of romance scam typically involves building trust over time, and then suddenly concocting an urgent situation requiring money. The idea is that they need help ASAP, and if the target doesn't act quickly, the scam artist is going to be in a lot of danger/trouble. For instance, she might claim that she traveled abroad and something happened (ex: lost passport, stolen purse) that requires lots of money now. Or maybe because she's stuck in another country without ID, she needs someone in the USA (your dad) to cover some bogus financial transaction for the company or they will face big fines/bankruptcy/lose the biggest client/etc.

Also, people who are being scammed often lie about whether or not they've sent money. Deep down they know they may suspect they've been taken advantage of and feel embarrassed/ashamed about it. Even people that you feel 100% would never lie to you about that, will lie about that up to a point.

[–] dyslexicdainbroner@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

You are to be applauded for watching out and caring for your father - I”m sorry for both of your loss of your dear mother and I know, you are hurting as much as he is…

You will have to tread carefully, depending upon his level of dementia -since he firmly believes this scam and will not respond well to being told he’s wrong and trying to convince him

The best approach will be to gather some solid empirical evidence on paper - do your research on everything you can get about the company - look at the company website suspiciously (source code) - everything you can find with her name, her phone number, the company address (on Google maps) etc…

be sure to do this research anywhere other than social media, everything on social media will support her story/lies - It will take some work, but will be worth it for when you talk to him

Once you have the evidence in hand and are ready to talk with your father, began by telling him how much you love him and care for him and will do anything to protect him - make sure it’s all about him and not money -

Then you can show him the evidence and help ease his way to understanding-

This is all a part of his grieving the loss of his life partner, and trying to ease his own pain

I wish you well in taking care of your father, please DM me and tell me how it went

(Source: an elderly man who went through much of the same with his elderly father)

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