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Cross-geposted von: https://feddit.org/post/31996415

In a remarkably strange statement at a recent California State Senate hearing over the Protect Our Games Act (AB 1921, California's Stop Killing Games-endorsed bill to compel publishers to provide ways to keep playing discontinued games), a representative of the Entertainment Software Association declared private servers for the likes of Minecraft and Call of Duty "illegal," adding that, so far as the ESA is concerned, "we consider it piracy."

In a statement to PC Gamer, the ESA wrote that, so far as it's concerned, "Private servers infringe on the intellectual property (IP) rights of game publishers. Publishers reserve the right to exercise their rights against them."

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[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

you do know that like 85% of TF2 servers (yes there are still TF2 players) are community hosted? I hope this dipshit is ready to deal with the business end of a fully loaded Gaben.

a bit of context as a current Minecraft player:

About two years ago, Microsoft made Mojang add a rather draconian player reporting feature to all of their server software that constantly scans the chat for "malicious content." "Malicious content" is the usual boilerplate corporate image ass covering, but while that is bad enough, it also has the power to ban a player from even accessing their OWN private, Singleplayer world, should the algorithm deem the infraction severe enough. Unfortunately, the console version of the game (known as "Bedrock" by the community, due to it having a shared cross play API for all console ports) was wholly owned by Microsoft, with Mojang only getting a developer credit. This means for the console player, there is little to be done. Meanwhile on the original PC version (Known as "Java" for the language it's coded in) had this implemented as well, but because Mojang owns all the licencing for THAT version, and they have an open, "hands off" modding API policy (within reason) for it, Modders IMMEDIATELY coded a workaround that deactivates the part of the code operating the chat reporting feature, by spoofing the blockchain authentications that verify that the chat entries scanned are "authentic" (basically it makes the receiving server at Mojang believe that every chat entry's "encryption key" is "inauthentic" so it can ignore all of them, no matter what their content is. The clever bastards.) This mod ("no chat reports") is now considered a part of standard server op support QoL installs, for the Java player base.

[–] Daedskin@lemmy.zip 47 points 2 days ago

It's blatantly a bad stance from them; but it doesn't even touch on games that use internal client/server models even when playing single-player — which includes Minecraft. If their argument were law, would I be breaking it by just playing Minecraft at all? With the way it's worded, I would think yes.

That doesn't even take into account that Minecraft in particular can turn a single-player client/server into a multiplayer with one button press. Would that be illegal? Maybe they'd argue not, because it's LAN only (which is a flimsy argument as well). But with a little effort, you could open up that LAN server up to whomever you wanted.

Very obvious they didn't think it through, they just want you to own nothing.

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why would the European Space Agency do such a thing...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Their nerds waste too much time playing the game

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well then, I guess we will just have to make better OpenSource games, now won't we?

[–] nanoSwiss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

can really recommended beyond all reason, a foss rts game, in the style of supreme commander. running on lua.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 281 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Game devs: „Here is the code to run our games on a private server. Have fun!“

Gamers: „Cool, thanks! Will do!“

ESA: „ISN‘T THERE SOMEONE YOU FORGOT TO ASK???“

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I invited Jesus, but he never logs on

[–] Aneorthisio@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All I heard from the ESA representative is : "If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing." 🦜

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's worse lmao they're saying that buying is piracy

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If buying is piracy, piracy is not stealing

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 126 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

So it's piracy to use the software that comes with the game? The Java version of the game, at least, has always come with the software to run your own server without needing to rent one directly from any specific vendor.

The ESA can go fuck itself.

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[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 213 points 3 days ago (10 children)

ESA members: https://www.theesa.com/our-members/

  • Amazon
  • Atari
  • Bandai Namco
  • Capcom
  • Disney
  • EA
  • Epic Games
  • Konami
  • Mattel
  • Microsoft
  • Netflix
  • Nintendo
  • Riot Games
  • Roblox
  • Sony Play Station
  • Square Enix
  • Take 2 (owner of Rockstar, 2K and Zynga)
  • Tencent
  • Ubisoft
  • Warner Bros
  • Wizard of the Coast (owner of MtG and DnD's rights)

The page also has this quote:

Shape and influence the largest entertainment industry in America.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 71 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So absolutely no one I respect. Nice. ESA go fuck yourself.

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[–] Koenig2005@feddit.org 37 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What's the point in Microsoft shooting against "their own" product? I mean, the option for public or private servers is literally built into the game. Also there is the option for playing together over LAN which you could also argue is a private server.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you have the facts, you pound the facts. If you have the law, you pound the law. If you have neither, you pound the table. This is the ESA pounding the table, and the goal is to confuse the gerontocracy LARPing as lawmakers.

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (9 children)

This is why tech has gotten so out of control in the US. In the past 40 years, this industry has had so many revolutionary inventions while our legislators on average get older and less likely to understand the newest technology, thereby making them more susceptible to being misled or misleading others. Combined with our legislators not giving a fuck about actual economics, this is how we have oligopolies everywhere in the US with cartel behavior

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[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The way I see it there are two possible reasons:

  1. incompetence: The statement in question was said by ESA's vice president for state government affairs, in other words a professional lobbyist. Video games are her day job, not her hobby. I don't know how much she actually plays herself. It may therefore be the case that she wasn't briefed properly or she got confused. The ESA is currently persuing legal action against certain private servers after all. The article contains specifics on those but in short: Those servers enable piracy, the Minecraft ones don't.
  2. they are lying: the whole thing was part of a hearing on Stop Killing Games. Private servers are one of the ways to fulfill their demands. It is the industry's position that implementing those is too complicated. Each instance of private servers existing weakens the argument. So better pretend that those don't exist. After all gamers won't even learn about this statement. It's a random California state senate hearing. They don't watch those!
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[–] supernicepojo@lemmy.world 215 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Of all the hot takes in the world, that statement is the dumbest thing I have ever heard someone say. Completely out-of-touch with the case, with the subject and with the games referenced. It is literally wronger than Flat Earth and young earth creationism in a single sentence. I would quote Bully Madison but even that wouldnt suffice.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Of all the hot takes in the world, that statement is the dumbest thing I have ever heard someone say. Completely out-of-touch with the case, with the subject and with the games referenced. It is literally wronger than Flat Earth and young earth creationism in a single sentence. I would quote Bully Madison but even that wouldnt suffice.

I'm sorry mate but you asked for it. We are now all dumber for having read the words "Bully Madison."

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[–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago

If it’s piracy either way then why are we paying?

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was like what the hell is the European Space Agency doing with Minecraft in California...

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Exploring the vacuum between the ears of these people apparently

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Better stick to space. Much more happening there.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We reached out to all gamers everywhere and a spokesman for the group responded with the following statement:

Lol wut?

Fucking noobs...

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah obviously since these games don't want private servers they provided the exact files to host your own server. Do they really believe the courts are that stupid?

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 55 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Gibbons cut in: "They're illegal. They are not in any way affiliated with Microsoft. Microsoft, for Minecraft, has gotten a lot of criticism because of those community servers not employing the same safety standards that Microsoft does on their Minecraft servers."

Oh this bullshit with the EULA

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[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 111 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Why is the European Space Agency doing this instead of a moon program or something? /j

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 52 points 2 days ago

The ESA is a mouthpiece for companies that want you to own nothing and do nothing that they don't approve of and benefit from.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

IP has more rights than people.

[–] guynamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m sorry, WHAT? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that this makes any sense.

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The ESA isn't stupid, they're just making the statement to give the politicians in their pockets a cover excuse for making it illegal that the actual dumbasses who support those politicians will buy.

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago

If they will still call you a pirate even if you buy the game, and even if the game sells well, they’ll eventually lay off the entire development team, why not just pirate the damn thing from the start?

Screw the ESA and its partners.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Reading this article, ESA feels like the evil archenemies of the Stop Killing Games folks. As SKG put it, the talk of illegality was to mislead a Californian legislator too busy to fact check.

That said, the real fight ESA is pushing is more in regards to private servers for MMOs and other always-online games that SKG wants to be legal as part of preservation. I personally disagree with ESA in that regard, although I can understand their legal argument regarding the lawsuits on World of Warcraft private servers, mentioned in the article.

(Though, my two cents, I personally feel "free market" should mean official servers are better and earn their subscriptions: more people, more reliable, better content, etc... but they usually aren't. So fuck them, lol).

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[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 13 points 2 days ago

THAT'S ILLEGAL REEEEE

We'll keep up the good work, then.

[–] BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What I would give to have these fucks having an inkling of what it is they're talking about.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They know. They don't care that it makes no sense. To them anyone with money that is not paying all of it to them is a criminal.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

It's not baffling, if you realize its the ESA saying it.

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