I would definitely have gone for an Ioniq 5 as well if money was not a question. But at the end of the day, the Ioniq 5 was overkill for my use case so I ended up going for a used Hyundai Kona. Still very happy with my choice, even if I would've loved an Ioniq 5. But it did save me like 60.000 DKK.
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too bad it's got those LED headlights. zero interest in that shit
I think this is what “want an EV, research it heavily” folks tend to end up with, where Teslas leans more “want an EV, don’t research it quite as heavily” crowd.
Not that either brand makes bad cars.
I just mean the Hyundai/Kia EVs are less “sexy” on the surface. Their charge and range is lower, but if you look into it, it’s an engineering compromise for faster charging. Hyundai isn’t a very “glamorous” brand, but their recent cars have been excellent, and if you actually look into Tesla, well… gestures at X. Lower end Teslas are priced somewhat attractively and tend to have better resale value than Hyundai at the moment, and it’s quite rational to assume “well, they’ve been making EVs longer.” But if you research it, Teslas have a more hidden costs over time, and even though some systems like the heatpumps are less refined than Teslas, Hyundai engineered the heck out of the car.
The only downside I know of with the Hyundai is that their single pedal driving controller interprets US law about braking strictly and does not turn on the brake lights unless you dump the pedal, engaging the brake rotors. So either just don't use single pedal driving mode, or have faith that US drivers don't drive distracted (this is an endorsement for not using Hyundai's single pedal driving mode btw)
My wife's Ioniq 6 turns on the brake lights when it is doing regeneration braking, so you are misinformed (unless it is a recent change; hers is a 2025). I can't imagine that your version has ever been true, though.
that's great news! it looks like they started fixing this in 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YW7x9U5TQ
here's some context
Also their failing ICCUs. They keep trying to fix it, but people keep reporting it's not fully solved.
This is a feature to maximize EV resale value by getting you a big cash settlement when someone rear ends you.
It's selling even better than Cybertruck?
I noticed the cybertrucks trucks disappearing in my area.
Along with fellow humans giving CT drivers the bird and snarky notes under their one dumb windshield wiper, they're also just... not very good vehicles. The steering is vague, the acceleration is ass because the vehicle is so heavy, and they get the gremlins if they get wet and they weren't set to car wash mode. So some drivers are going to be quietly trying to trade them in for shame, and some are going to be perpetually in the shop getting fixes for problems they never should have been allowed to have in the first place
I have an Ioniq 5. It’s great. Highly recommended.
Those are pretty sweet. Was looking at those before I bought its cousin the Kia EV6. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Even with the iccu ?
They offer 15 years of warranty for that part, I wouldn't worry about it.
You have to make sure to stick to the service intervals and that a used one had all services Döner in time, if you plan to buy one. A few hundred miles over the service and the guarantee will be void.
There shouldn't be much to service, no?
Hmm... kebab...
I nearly got an Ioniq 5 as our second car, but ended up getting a BMW i4 instead. I was very impressed with the Ioniq 5 - it's a fantastic car. We already had an iX though, andI figured it'd be best to stick to something with the same UI. I'm mostly a frontend developer and UI quirks really get to me, so I'd rather just deal with one set of quirks.
How's the i4 (and iX) been? Any complaints or issues?
They're both very nice cars! No complaints.
The i4 is great because it looks like a regular car. It's literally just a 4 series grand coupe with an electric drivetrain. No gimmicks, no "the car needs to look futuristic" approach that so many manufacturers take with their EVs. The door handles are regular mechanical door handles.
The iX is... not exactly the opposite, but close enough. My understanding it that it was a concept car that BMW ended up releasing publicly. It's got an expensive electrochromic glass roof that you can switch between clear and frosted by pressing a button. It's got flush, electronic door handles. It's got a carbon fiber chassis. Things like that.
The iX is extremely comfortable for back seat passengers, as the back of the car is huge!
Everything the i4 can do, the iX can do at least a bit better. For example:
- i4 can do hands-free highway driving up to 40mph, whereas the iX does it up to 85mph.
- Both have options for parking and 360 cameras, but the cameras on the iX are noticeably higher resolution.
- i4 has air suspension for the back, whereas iX has air suspension for all four wheels.
- They're both great to drive, but the iX is smoother and quieter. The cabin is extremely quiet even at highway speeds.
The i4 is a lot cheaper though. I'm leasing both, and the i4 is less than half the price of the iX. I'm in the USA and we're paying $812/month plus tax for the iX, and $394/month plus tax for the i4, thanks to a combination of rebates, BMW loyalty discount (for the i4), and a 10% discount off MSRP.
We custom ordered the iX. It took a few months, but we could get exactly the options we wanted. It doesn't cost any extra to get a custom-built one compared to getting one from a dealer's lot.
Unfortunately, the iX has been discontinued in the USA. They cut off custom orders a few months ago, and dealers don't have many left. Rumor is that tariffs made it cost too much to import into the USA. The iX5 is supposed to replace it, but it's not coming out until next year.
hands free at 85 is some scary shit
Test-drove one when I was looking for an EV. Nice car but the turning radius is ridiculously large, which along with the general size of the car made me go for a Kia EV3 instead. I guess those points wouldn't be much of an issue on American roads though.
We nearly bought one as well but went for an EV6 instead (which is basically the same car in a different shell), in the UK. The turning circle was definitely a concern but honestly has been fine.
I bought one last year and it’s been a delight.
I have many complaints about it and they’re all incredibly petty.
...looks in rear view mirror at the lack of rear wiper...
I have an EV6.
Those paddle shifters are so annoying! You want to accelerate slowly to drive your grandma around? You better hope she likes stiff braking! What's that, you want sporty responsive acceleration? Better combine it with an anemic brake response! Who tf came up with this?
No complaints about the adaptive cruise control and lane centering, though. Best I've ever used.
Man I love mine but I do have a lot of complaints. Like a bunch of things that just don’t make any sense, like the doors unlock when you walk up but don’t lock when you walk away? You also can’t lock the doors using the door buttons if you want to lock and walk away, so fucking annoying. There’s a lot of small things, but it charges so fast and it’s so nice inside.
You can disable the "unlock on approach" in the settings. I did on mine because that annoyed me the same way.
I also turned off lock when walking away. Sometimes I just forget something and have to run back for it...
Car now only locks or unlocks if I push buttons on the fob. That's what I prefer!
These kind of little things, plus the iccu and driver awareness sensor on 2025+ is what made me buy a '25 Mach E instead. They each have their quirks and the I5 is a better car on paper, but the Mach E is better in practice. I'll take a reliable ICCU, more sensical battery preconditioning, and driver profiles over the 800V architecture that DC charges slightly faster.
And it locks the doors when you walk away like you mentioned. It's the little things.
I want an EV and I like Hyundais (having owned one in the past), but reading comments like these reminds me that having a "modern" computerized car would drive me nuts. And that's on top of the surveillance and lack of right to repair being deal-breakers.
Hey bruh, you wanna skip forward a song on this playlist? Toggle down on the steering wheel control.
You. Dirty. Mother. Fucker.
This kinda makes sense because you're going down in the playlist... But other cars use left and right 🤷
Hyundais other cars use up. Even their other brands like Kia use up. It makes no sense.
Up makes less sense to me. If I'm going to the next item, why would I be going up? Next should be either down or right, consistent with how we read in English (to the right, then down) and consistent with playlists in media player apps (and YouTube, etc)
I guess using up for next is so it's consistent with volume, where up actually makes sense?
Media players have always used left for previous track and right for next track, so it's frustrating when UI designs try to change that.
I wish that all car manufacturers would start using UWB technology with their keys. It lets the car detect the physical location of the key, accurate to within 10 centimeters (4 inches).
This allows for very accurate automatic lock and unlock, and is essentially completely immune to relay and replay attacks. Even if the car receives an unlock signal, it won't actually unlock unless the key is also physically close to the car.
It also lets you use your phone as a key with the same automatic lock and unlock features, as long as it supports UWB, like the Pixel Pro, Galaxy Plus and Ultra series, and iPhones excluding the SE.
Or just bring back metal keys and drop the insta steal bullshit.