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Appreciate you taking the time to articulate your thoughts on different features over the past week or so.

I'm open to hearing other people's critiques on the other aspects (if they have any), but everything makes sense, to me, until the "Low quality communities". I recall this "feature" being a point of contention in the past.

You said its not as effective as you thought it would be and you don't use it much, is it an opt-in feature? If not, can it be?

Alternatively, can admins make, alter, or add their own list?

Well, it is certainly a social credit system, but we need to learn to not just think China when we think about it. the US credit rating system, most countries individual court files, all those are social credit systems, but some rules make some of them useful and some of them are tools of oppression.

Slashdot had an interesting system to dissuade karma farming. They would be capping karma at 50.

And mostly the only impact it had would be that you would have your publication start at minus one when you had negative karma. And above 10, you would get some moderation point, if I recall correctly (in slashdot, you don't get inifinite votes automatically)

The devs considered that most users who were contributing honestly would end up between 40 and 50 pretty quickly, and that it was okay to be downvoted a bit from time to time.

I've mentioned this before in other context, but I feel like there's value in potentially looking at who upvotes who, and following that graph.

If you have like a closed circle all upvoting each other, but everyone outside the circle downvotes, that might be useful information.

It’s interesting because I encounter the red triangles fairly often, but generally have good interactions with those accounts. Everyone in the wnba community has them, but my interactions there have been fine and reasonable so far, presumably because the poor reputation is from interactions in other communities — someone could be very confrontational about politics, but amiable about basketball, for instance. I suspect there’s a reasonable chance I have the red triangles as well, because I do a lot of posting in communities that I suspect have been flagged as “low quality” because of their low subscriber count relative to the frequency of posts. I get what you’re going for, and I think it’s a good direction to be heading, but it feels like there’s a little more tinkering to be done before it’s working as intended.

What is a "low-quality community",.something arbitrarily decided by the instance admin?

the best thing to come from the whole tesseract is that everyone else is more open about the processes love this :)

Maybe a bit off topic but:

The Truth About China’s Social Credit System https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/1tlx7n0/the_truth_about_chinas_social_credit_system/

tl;dw China doesn't really have a Social Credit System, but the US does.

Are you talking about the attitude rating on your profile? If so I can see that and others too.

I should keep track of these blogs more. My opinion is a bit limited because I don't care for public voting and don't peruse by top or hot. I was peripherally aware of the vote limit thing from peoples posts in communities but then comically did not connect it to issues I had with voting which I only did to clear my feed. Once I realized I asked you if a neutral option could be made and you graciously got that going like way faster than I expected. Thank you again. So any issue I had with it is gone now. Again I just don't get why people want to see things based on what other people feel are important things. Granted much of that is due to the limited size of the fediverse as it is now. If this became the size of reddit then I would likely have to rely on public voting although I would prefer the rank everything as a user approach.

to dissuade the karma-farming behavior common on Reddit. Reputation is not a game or status symbol, it is a mechanic for enhancing trust and safety on PieFed.

Thank you! This is the kind of thinking that has made me realize that I can never go back to big, profit-driven social media websites.

The profitable decision would be to promote karma-farming, since karma-farming boosts engagement. Thanks for choosing the "respect your users' sanity" decision instead.

Looked back for this to bring up some things I have noticed with the new read. Im like 50/50 on reverting back to upvoting due to muscle memory but I think also a bit because up and down voting is so convenient on the left side and my brain sees it and goes into pattern. It takes a bit more to find and use the read button. Also the delete icon does not scream read. just the word read might be better. What I really wanted to mention though that if poor quality voting is an issue then why have it available in the feed. I mean shouldn't people vote when they have clicked in and read the post. Granted I get media posts show in feed fully so it makes a little senese there but if they really like or hate it so much is it to much to ask to click into it? After all you have to do that to comment no.

well explained, thx for the info!

similar to the one in China

Please don't spread propaganda. This isn't a real thing.