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Say honestly both Trump and Newsom working to reduce our oil usage is a good thing. Trump is also working harder then any president to finally cut down US ranchers to give vegan diets a better chance.
Its just too bad Trump wasnt as smart anf its costing us billions for his plan to go back to the middle east for a few decades compared to just taxing it.
Generally, I avoid people who engage in MAGA talking points. The massive, oligarch-sponsored, far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership uses the same brainwashing techniques used on US soldiers in Korea, and there's no cure for that yet.
We know human beings can be manipulated. It's why we regulate advertising and prosecute grift. FOX News should be unlawful has it stands, but so should gambling and here we are.
My own father is a MAGA disciple and an avid viewer of FOX News. He's isolated from all other news sources, which is what they do. I have to protect myself from him.
The answer is obviously 'it depends'.
Do you want to be an asshole to your parents? Do you want to keep things civil?
The most responsible and mature answer is probably, just ignore them and actively be out of their communication reach. This means physically (don't be in the same room/house as them) and digitally (turn off notifications from them).
They can be civil, but they're just fed the immigrant disinformation campaign so they're just genuinely ignorant
You always go crazier.
Bring up the ancient aliens that have infiltrated the highest levels of the Russian and Israeli governments and are using bisexual mind control to force Trump to cuckold himself to Newsom, causing the theta waves to destabilize the oil reserves, leading to the shortages that will allow Mongolia to rise as a global power.
That, or do the smart thing and shrug and walk away.
And the 5g chips from the covid vaccines! Don’t forget those.
What do you mean crazier? That's just the facts?
am alien. can confirm.
“You voted for this.”
Ok, maybe not if you’re a minor and living in their house…
This is what you asked for
Heavy is the crown...
It's tough, but you cannot reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Good point
if you want people to change their minds on something, don't tell them anything. ask them.
If you live with them or rely on them, you should consider saying nothing. Avoid disagreements with them. Conservatives do not develop deep emotional bonds with their children the way normal people do. You risk them abandoning you before you are able to survive on your own.
If you do not live with them or rely on them financially, it is best to not communicate with them at all. Nothing good can come from a relationship with a conservative.
In fact, nothing good in human history has ever come from conservatism.
This right here. For the love of all fucking things, don't waste decades of your one precious life trying to get through to them. They are loyal to one thing, violence, implied or actualized, and nothing more.
"Is it nice, living in a reality of your own design?"
Ask them if prices have risen since last year. Then ask them that you are interested in how California fucked this up recently, and if they could tell you which new Californian law has been enacted in recent months, that made gas so much more expensive.
Ignore all propaganda videos they might send you, and keep asking for that law that must have changed.
Just make something up that you find funny. There is no point engaging in reality.
Say Newsom actually passed legislation that lowered prices act but trump over turned it because hes brought and paid for by the oil and gas lobby.
Whatever they reply just make up something that directly counters it. Let them see how it feels to try and debunk bullshit 24/7
I love you.
Red hats suffer from a collective delusional state. Talking to them is pointless.
Tell them they sound like Libertarians, who don’t want to pay for road repairs because “the roads are already built.”
AAA has gas prices country wide
https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/
basically everywhere on the western side of the country is getting rocked. Idaho is deep red and is pushing 5 bucks a gallon.
Add to that that more then 10% of the country lives in California so demand is naturally going to be higher which in turn causes prices to go up. So yeah, part might be high fuel taxes, but its certainly not the only part, unless they're gonna say Alaskas high prices are also just because of fuel taxes, in which case they're just dumb.
Yoo why does Arizona gas cost so much wtf
Edit: nvm, I thought it was sorted most expensive to least expensive, not alphabetical order
Still in the top ten though...
Don't bother engaging. They will not change their mind, you will not change yours. All roads lead to friction.
And friction leads to heat, and heat to higher AC bills.
Yes, I also don’t talk to my parents much.
Did they bitch about gas prices under biden and solely blame him? If so, ask what's different now. See if they can point to state level changes that affected gas prices.
This is assuming they would at least attempt a good faith argument. If not, I'd just laugh and imply they have the mentality of a child thinking they figured out the world and are dead wrong. Like listen to their inane rants and just kinda chuckle as if it's impressive they built such a convoluted plot in their head.
You can't logic someone out of something they didn't logic themselves into.
"buy an ev you stupid fuckers",
buys a cyber truck
Tell them to move. Living on the West Coast is a privilege. If they don't like it they are free to leave.
Also, it's not the taxes that cause the price of gas to fluctuate daily, it's supply and demand of things like crude oil. Trump's stupid war in Iran has caused oil prices to spike globally, and this is easy to prove.
"Have the day you voted for."
I'm genuinely curious. What does the California state gas taxes have anything to do with any recent elections?
It sounds like the complaints are about the difference in gas prices between California and the rest of the U.S., not gas prices in general.
Two options.
Remind them that they are stupid and that California's air quality used to be way worse before stricter fuel refinement and SMOG laws. As a Californian I can literally confirm this within my own lifetime.
Stop speaking to them like I've done with all the dipshit conservatives in my orbit because you'll never change them so why waste your time on lost causes? The only possible catalyst for change is them losing their loved ones due to their own ignorance but, realistically, that same ignorance will prevent them from accepting that it's their own fault.
“Goodbye.”
Two options:
Link obvious rise to "no new wars" Iran Epstein War (bring up Epstein relentlessly).
Say it's wild how California is outsmarting Trump. Guess he's a terrible incompetent leader who cannot outsmart California let alone Iran.
You need to also start fucking with their algorithms. Inject some reality into their phones etc.
The algoritm part is huge, I have read other posts about people who managed to get their parents at least partway back from the MAGA swamp by simply curating their video watch history and subscribing to cute animal channels.
I have been curating my own YT watch history for more than a decade at this point, and damn, it makes YT so much bareble.
There is no solution here.
In my own similar situation, I have come to the conclusion that it's bigger than any single issue. You can't reason any of these folks out of it, because a major factor is their belief that they are always, always right regardless of what the truth may be.
You can show them the math. You can cite paper after paper. You can try whatever you want and none of it will stick. Even if they claim otherwise, they think they're right and you're wrong. The closest you'll get is appeasement.
Tell them to "get good" then drink the remaining gasoline in their fuel tank without breaking eye contact to establish dominance
Plot twist: they don't live in California
“Believe whatever the fuck you want.”
