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[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Not the point of the post, i know, but who spends 70$ a month on on "gym"? I bought weights and a pullup bar for a one-time payment of like 50$, and i jog outside for free

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago

Yeah, for that price, they should be getting the whole James.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Planet Fitness for $15/month

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Lots of people pay $70 a month, I was paying $200 at one point for CrossFit classes

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think my next door neighbors are not going to be thrilled to have 220kg+ deadlifts dropped above them.

Having said that, I don't spend 70 a month for the gym, and I currently have two memberships.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 4 days ago

A friend got a $30/month gym membership that has unlimited guest passes, so they bring friends. The machines are fun. I think there's classes too, but guests can't do those so I haven't.

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Car dependency is definitely not bankrupting people... The wealth Gap and wage Gap and unrestrained capitalism are bankrupting people. But sure car dependencies definitely a part of that

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago

And cars are this expensive after we've made almost all roads completely free to drive on.

[–] CheerfulPassionFruit@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I mean life is just expensive, yeah some of these items are a bit high but honestlyly overall it's pretty realistic if you aren't actively saving money and trying to live on the cheap.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

There's $700/month of savings hidden in the drop from $85k gross to $66k net.

[–] the_q@piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago

The issue is that it doesn't have to be as expensive as it is. The more prices increase and people pay those increased prices, the more they'll increase. People aren't willing to, collectively, stop their spending. They rationalize it like you have as "life" or they "treat yoself" themselves into financial ruin.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I'd say it's fairly accurate. I think the electric cost should be double though.

[–] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (13 children)

WTF $70 for internet? Is it that normal?

I pay 21€ for mine.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago

In the US, yes. It's stupid expensive because we gave the telecoms a lot of money to upgrade the infrastructure and they didn't, so we gave them a bunch more but they still didn't. So now we pay off our debt to telecoms by paying too much for internet. Freedom.

[–] MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago

I was thinking, WTF $70 for internet? I pay almost $200.

[–] jeorb@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

$120/month for 1Gbps here in the suburbs.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It also have $100/month of attending weddings. Those are rare enough they get rolled into vacation expenses normally.

Also parking is in hangouts instead of cars lol.

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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's wild how much these numbers vary across the Atlantic. Those car costs are tiny compared to living in the Netherlands or the UK for example. Fuel is much more expensive, as is parking.

Phone and internet access on the other hand... you poor bastards are getting robbed. You can get a good mobile plan here for £10/mo for example. I have fibre to my home for £32/mo.

Also, $60/mo for clothing? How often are you people buying new clothes?

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

You can get mint mobile for much cheaper. Internet you kinda get fucked. Clothing, men, I can see that. New outfit a month is about $60 I’d say

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In my country, mobile plan is same £10 (converted), for which I get unmetered 5G Internet, SMS and calls. You can get a decent one for less.

Home fiber (800 Mbps) costs also about £10.

All while my country is at war and its communication infrastructure is being targeted (it works just fine tho)

I.e. you get robbed, and they go beyond sanity

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[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Sell the $20,000 suv and get a 2004 Honda Civic or similar, and dont borrow any money to buy it

[–] oneser@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

This! There are few things financially stupider than loaning money at a high rate to purchase a rapidly depreciating asset.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I have a degree and I have never made 85k in my life. I never get a yearly vacation either, I hate to break it to whoever this person is but this is not “middle class” in 2026. This is upper middle class at least.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

sounds more like you're not middle class if you don't have income for discretionary spending

that's, like, the definition of middle class

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

You’ve just been lied to, or so beaten down that your expectarions for middle class have declined.

The OP’s math should be middle class.

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have degrees, make $110k before taxes and overtime. Our household makes over $200k before taxes, with 2 kids. We are upper middle class, i think. $85k, single person household is firmly middle class.

We do 1-2 large vacations with a dozen camp trips yearly. Our vehicles average age is also 20 years old and our house is way below what we could afford, so that may be part of our financial freedom.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My spouse and I have three degrees between the two of us and neither of us has ever made that much. At this point we will likely be too old for kids before we can afford them.

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I got lucky and ended up at a job with almost infinite growth. Masters in mechE and I do controls, scada, and inventory management stuff. My wife is a high paid dental assistant.

My job is imposter syndrome defined. I enter a factory and I'm the most important person in the building, but I feel like I barely understand what I'm doing. Wish I could give career advice besides 'be the expert in the room'. Which I know cant be everyone.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

There is no middle class.

You either work to live or you own the means.

[–] ericwdhs@discuss.online 4 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't put too much stock into the actual numbers. Even in just the US, the same middle class lifestyle might be $50k in one location and $200k in another.

Case in point, I live in a comfortable single-bedroom apartment in a low crime rate area for $650 a month. OP's figure is almost triple that.

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[–] techmaster7d@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

The car is not the issue here. There is so much wrong with how much this person has spent a lot of items/services.

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

You missing a $150 monthly expense for weed. Other than that I can tell you're overspending on your car, $70 on car insurance is cheap lol as a 26 yo.

[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

$1500 isn't nearly enough for a vacation.

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s ok for like a weekend get away

[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It could be.

[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Its nice to see a breakdown like this, but in the figures the "savings" section has a higher total than the "transportation" section...

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's interesting to compare these figures to my own situation, for sure.

Housing costs: I live in a 3 room apartment (2 bedrooms + kitchen + living room + 1 bathroom), it's our equivalent of a condo which I had to spend ~$50k on a down payment. The total monthly cost on it is ~$1600, which I share with my partner. Some of that goes towards paying off the loan, and some of it becomes discounted because interest payments are tax deductible in my country. The apartment is located in what I would call not the most desirable but fully acceptable area of the capital of my country, with a 15 minute bike ride to reach the central station of my city, and the same to the office where I work. There's also plenty of transit available, but I prefer biking because it's fun, less expensive and gives me built in exercise.

The insurance on the apartment is somewhere between $20-30/month, and covers both the apartment, accidental damage to property and travel insurance.

For the garage, I pay $25/year for a private bike parking spot in one of the bike sheds in my apartment coop.

I don't have a car, but there's some amount of cost to the upkeep of my bike. Generously I'd put it at $200/year maybe, but I've also spent some amount of upfront cost buying the thing.

Health insurance is free in my country. A visit to the doctor will set you back perhaps $30, with a cap of ~$150 per year. There's also a cap on prescription medicine at $300 per year.

Water + electricity + internet was included in the total monthly cost for the apartment. Our electricity/water costs represent maybe $30 of that expense post, and the internet comes at no extra cost in the apartment coop. I get a phone plan as a part of my employment contract, so I don't have to spend anything on that.

For food at home, me and my partner spend maybe $400 between ourselves generously on home-cooked meals. For eating out it's maybe $100 a month at most.

I cut my hair once every three months for around $30. My gym membership is $40/year, which covers both me and my partner (seriously, I love my apartment coop, it's the best). The only subscriptions I have are a VPN subscription setting me back a little under $4/month and Nebula which is $37.5/year. The toiletries I included in the food expenses.

Student loans are comparatively inexpensive to service in my country. I pay about $200 quarterly on it.

Weddings are not particularly common among my friends, and the last time I attended one was more than 5 years ago.

I don't really drink any more, so there's no expense to be had on the alcohol front.

Where I spend more is on vacations - I have 6 weeks of paid vacation per year, and I try to make good use of it. Sometimes this means taking the train to visit family, which is not particularly expensive since the train is cheap and food and accomodation with family is free, but at least once a year it means a longer vacation where we stay at hotels and eat out every day, making it a more costly affair.

Being able to take home $5500 a month in my country would be extremely uncommon though, placing you very highly on the income scale.

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Annual vacation costing $1500 🤣

for one person? yeah

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