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What's funny is that (according to the old testament) when Moses came down off the mountain with the tablets and found everyone worshipping the golden calf, he had a big hissy fit and smashed them. So then after doing quite a bit of murdering he had to go back up the mountain to get a second set. Exodus 32-34
I asked a religious relative how it was ok for Moses to murder people when he had only just be told by God himself "thou shalt not kill", and she said it was because the don't kill thing came further down the list than having only the one god.
Asimov's Ten Laws of Holy Robotics
As a note, the Israelites would in later generations go on to kill a shitload of people. It's one of those things where it seems like the Bible only really considers it murder if God doesn't sanction it. It's honestly one of the many sticking points that makes Abrahamic religions a hard sell for modern individuals. That said, if you look at it from a historical perspective, it really comes across more like a religious version of the Code of Hammurabi. It's less "don't kill" as a philosophical or religious position and more about sanctions against killing in a practical legal sense. A functioning society has laws that formally govern behavior and the Israelites were essentially an ecclesiarchy, with Moses being both head of state and high priest. The same laws that governed social life were always going to intersect with laws that governed spiritual life.
Moses himself commands an army to genocide before and after Mt Sinai
The bible seems to consider it murder only if it's another christian.
-Deuteronomy 17:2-5
-Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Moses: WTF is a "Christian"?
Right, that wasn't the right word there, but you get what I mean.
Pretty specific - I guess that closes the "get them high" loophole.
I hope you interpret "to death" as an euphemism in that case hah
Pretty specific - I guess that closes the "get them high" loophole.
we don't know if the "don't murder" thing was on the original list.
Hmb while I go kill someone for not keeping the holy sabbath day and honoring their father and mother cuz god recommended it.
As a note, the Israelites would in later generations go on to kill a shitload of people. It's one of those things where it seems like the Bible only really considers it murder if God doesn't sanction it. It's honestly one of the many sticking points that makes Abrahamic religions a hard sell for modern individuals. That said, if you look at it from a historical perspective, it really comes across more like a religious version of the Code of Hammurabi. It's less "don't kill" as a philosophical or religious position and more about sanctions against killing in a practical legal sense. A functioning society has laws that formally govern behavior and the Israelites were essentially an ecclesiarchy, with Moses being both head of state and high priest. The same laws that governed social life were always going to intersect with laws that governed spiritual life.
I love this because what if actually? What if there's literally a buzzfeed tier list of five things to do we're missing for a utopian society? And mankind fucked it like we always do.
You want the Council of Nicea where a pagan edited the Bible by decapitating people expressing ideas he didn't want in it.
God gave plenty more laws in the next few books of the Bible. The famous commandments about not mixing fabrics or cutting your hair? Yeah Moses of the Ten Commandments is behind that book too.
Thats assuming you're saying religion would have brought us utopia.
For the sake of this wild fantasy, yeah. I'm not gonna be too picky
Who's to say commandment #11 wasn't "lmao jk ok but for real just these four things:"
Thats assuming you're saying religion would have brought us utopia.
What's funny is that (according to the old testament) when Moses came down off the mountain with the tablets and found everyone worshipping the golden calf, he had a big hissy fit and smashed them. So then after doing quite a bit of murdering he had to go back up the mountain to get a second set. Exodus 32-34
I asked a religious relative how it was ok for Moses to murder people when he had only just be told by God himself "thou shalt not kill", and she said it was because the don't kill thing came further down the list than having only the one god.