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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 130 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Meanwhile, they have an orange beanbag presidential hopeful spilling the beans to the whoever around the world and he gets millions of dollars of support, literal legal immunity from anything and 1/3 of the country want him to become their Cheeto leader in Mountain Dew.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That’s because that orange beanbag seated three associate justices of the Supreme Court, 54 judges for the courts of appeals, 174 district court judges, and three judges for the United States Court of International Trade.

Even worse, citizens want to let him do it again.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, Biden has seated almost as many judges in his term, so that has balanced out at the lower levels. With the very important exception of the Supreme Court.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There’s also the important point of Biden not committing crimes, like those that the commenter mentioned, and having those charges heard by one of his own appointed judges. Appeals from Trump’s other cases can potentially end up with one of his appointed appeals court judges, or ultimately be heard by the newly conservative Supreme Court, as you pointed out.

I mentioned it because that’s the notable difference between Assange’s and Trump’s ability to live above the law.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 years ago

Please step into my secure toilet to see the nation's secrets.

I still can't believe that fucking happened and people just go on ignoring it

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Hey I like mountain dew

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 82 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good for him - he's less innocent than folks like Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden but a heavy prosecution of him would definitely have a chilling effect on whistle-blowers. Did he release things at politically convenient times? Yes. Should that be illegal? Fuck no.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

2016 Assange was a very different person than who he was in 2009. The espionage charges relating to the Chelsea Manning leaks were always bogus, but his involvement with the Trump campaign solidified him as a huge asshole in my mind.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/14/563996442/donald-trump-jr-had-direct-contact-with-wikileaks-during-campaign

Even back then, WikiLeaks was telling trump to claim the election was rigged and stolen. These are not the actions of a whistleblower, and it's clear he was not a whistleblower (or working with whistleblowers) during this period and likely a mouthpiece for Russia to sow division in the US.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Agreed. Assange is not the good guy in this. No one is in this.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago

but a heavy prosecution of him would definitely have a chilling effect on whistle-blowers

As if the last decade plus of his life were not enough for that. Better than a life sentence, yeah.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 66 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Legendary. That's him cleared in Sweden, UK, and the US. Apparently they're considering letting him return to Australia (his home country) as well. Godspeed, Assange!

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 111 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thats the catch, he has to fly home in a Boeing.

[–] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A whole new meaning to defenestration.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Im just imagining him being sucked out a window like a scene from Final Destination or something.

[–] crawancon@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago
[–] protist@mander.xyz 65 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Cleared" is an interesting way to describe "pleaded guilty and sentenced to 62 months in prison." Dude just already served 5 years.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 2 years ago

Yes, that's what I said

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 years ago

Now the right will hate Assange lol

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is a real win for Biden. Despite all of Trump's praise for Wikileaks, he did nothing about Assange.

Of course, this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't an election year, but it's still a win.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In my opinion, absolutely. His legal exile lasted far too long... I think most people won't even know this happened unless the late night shows pick it up.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

I wonder how many people even remember who he is without a refresher at this point. The general public's memory is short.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I'm glad he is finally free and I'm always thankful to anyone who exposes war crimes and whistleblowers.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

This seems like a big deal.

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

If Assange wasn't in US territory when revealed classified information, why is he being judged by the US?

Was not the US should be judging the one/s who filtered the information and not who publish it?

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

u/@zabadoh@ani.social explained how

the reason is that the US can exercise such authority in practice with any consequences.

a bigger concern here is his native government's limp dick response tbh

aint he from AU?

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

the US can exercise such authority

Many countries have the authority to prosecute crimes that occur on their soil even if the perpetrator is outside the country. Including Assange's native country.

The foreign interference crimes apply to conduct that occurs in Australia. So, if the perpetrator was in Australia at the time they engaged in interference, then prosecuting them would be relatively straightforward, provided there was sufficient evidence. If an offender is outside Australia at the time of the interference, they could still be charged with a crime.

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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Anyone involved in a crime committed on US soil can be charged with the crime.

Do you suppose hacking your computer should be legal provided the hacker is in Russia?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it's legal in Russia, they should not extradite.

If I post this picture to VK from my home in the US, should I be extradited to Russia for it?

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You can certainly be charged in Russia.

Extradition is another matter.

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

US courts can still try him in absentia, i.e. if he's not present in the courtroom.

If he's in a country with an extradition treaty with the US, e.g. the UK, he can be extradited to the US for the trial or with a conviction.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, the SCOTUS has made clear that you cannot be tried in abstentia.

This case requires us to decide whether Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 43 permits the trial in absentia of a defendant who absconds prior to trial and is absent at its beginning. We hold that it does not.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Great seeing far more sensible comments here compared with c/technology

Always suprising to see more on a whistle blower than the guys that actually did the war crime.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Watch them arrest him the second he lands.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

If I were him I'd never set foot in the US again.

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