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Even before President Joe Biden’s long-speculated withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race, allies of former President Donald Trump floated the possibility of suing to block Democrats from having anyone other than Biden on the ballot in November

But election administration and legal experts said the timing of Biden’s exit on Sunday makes it unlikely that any Republican ballot access challenges will succeed, with some calling the idea “ridiculous” and “frivolous.” Democrats are on safe legal ground as they identify a new standard-bearer, they say, because the party hasn’t officially chosen its nominee. That typically occurs with a vote of delegates at the party’s convention. 

It’s ridiculous for people to talk about ‘replacing Biden.’ He hasn’t been nominated yet,” said Richard Winger, a leading expert on state ballot access laws and the longtime editor of the “Ballot Access News” newsletter.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 148 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They absolutely have no legal basis, my only worry is that they have activists in SCOTUS which showed us multiple times that they don't care what the Constitution says.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 60 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly.

It used to be the case that sane people with a modicum of understanding of our government/legal system, or even the ability to do a bit of research, they could just laugh this off.

But uh, nope, now we live in corrupt/activist Supreme Court era, which throws out decades of precedent and functionally invents new laws as it pleases.

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Historically speaking, we Americans usually ignore what the SCOTUS says. Virginia was practically segregated into the early 1970s, for example, well over a decade after Brown v Board of Education.

That's the hilarious part of the SCOTUS. They kind of don't matter.


The response to an unjust SCOTUS is to ignore them. Like what are they actually gonna do about it?

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Only works if everyone ignores them, don't see that happening

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Step 1 of the plan is to at least make people aware of the plan.

There's more options available than expanding the court or whatever. Ultimately, the reigns of power largely rest in Congress and the President. Supreme Court is the moral center, they're only effective if people believe their judgements to be moral and just. Otherwise, their statements are just fancy words on a piece of obscure paper.

Supreme Court has no ability to write laws or enforce them.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 141 points 3 months ago (1 children)

GOP: but it was our only strategy!

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Threatening to sue over spurious, trumped up claims has been a Trump strategy for half a century now.

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[–] norimee@lemmy.world 78 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They already made it public that they will do everything to invalidate democrat votes and that they won't accept any outcome that isn't a Trump win.

It's going to be Jan 2021 but worse again.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 62 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Friendly reminder to check your voter registration. Many states are un-registering voters for dumb reasons.

[–] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Why is this even a thing in the USA? In Belgium, everyone over the age of 18 just gets a letter in the mail. Making people go for tedious registration and what not sounds very undemocratic to me.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's because it is! Just one of the thousands of many little ways the American Republicans have made life worse for everyone, including their own. Gerrymandering and tampering with voter registration are historically Republican strategies that serve no purpose other than voter disenfranchisement. They can't win a popular vote and they know it, so their best strategy is to prevent people from voting in the first place. Hence their history of arcane voter registration rules, disgustingly absurd gerrymandered districts, removal or last-minute changing of acceptable voting locations in Democratic areas, voter intimidation, even active voter endangerment via refusal of water bottles during summer heat - not as in they wouldn't give you water at the voting lcoation - no, you aren't allowed to have water, even if you brought your own, even if someone showed up and tried to donate water to you. They took it right out of our hands. Meanwhile we were standing in a line in a parking lot with no shade in 96F weather for multiple hours because local republican leadership also shut down all other democratic voting locations within an hour's drive.

It is disgustingly undemocratic, dangerous, abusive and frankly it's embarrassing. These are not politicians, these are spoiled little children stamping their feat and screaming "no, I get to be king, and you have to go home!" They actively will not associate with the word "democracy" anymore because it's too close to accidentally being called a Democrat.

If you've noticed Americans being a little more pissy than usual recently in the last several years, it's largely because people are starting to open their eyes to this truth. It's nothing new, but it is starting to get noticed. Trump flipped over a big ol' rock and suddenly everyone saw all the worms and slugs squirming underneath.

[–] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I actually caught myself mouthing "What the fuck" at the water part of your comment. That's some third world country shit. Everyone's entitled to water, it's the most basic human right. How would one argue that a ruling like that benefits the people?

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Their argument, such that it is, argues that Democrats are running the country into the ground and that they cannot be allowed to make decisions for other people. Not that the people should be allowed to govern themselves, no, the people should only be allowed to vote for things that are "in their best interest" as defined by Republicans.

Which is, obviously, horseshit. But a semi-significant percentage of our population eats up the anti-Democrat messaging and keeps enough of them in office that they can continue fucking with human rights without retribution.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"ThEy'Re BuYiNg VoTeS wItH wAtEr!"

I've never heard about not being allowed to bring water, but I've definitely read about not being allowed to hand out water/sell water.

There is no legitimate reason, only excuses to cover for their bullshit.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

The GOP is very undemocratic

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On the surface, it's not bad. If, for example, you move from one state to another, your previous state may not know you don't live there anymore. So if they see you haven't voted in that state for a while, they'll assume you don't live there and remove your name from their registration.

The problem is, as usual, how it gives conservatives in the US cover to remove legitimate voters. If you haven't moved but also haven't voted for the last several election cycles, you might get removed even if you intend to vote in this election. And you can see how that's a short jump to "Oh no, we accidentally removed a whole bunch of people who were going to vote against us and darn it, wouldn't you know there's no way to fix this in time!"

[–] tyler@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If, for example, you move from one state to another, your previous state may not know you don't live there anymore. So if they see you haven't voted in that state for a while, they'll assume you don't live there and remove your name from their registration.

They always know, especially if you’re paying your taxes correctly. Try moving to Colorado. You’ll get registered immediately without doing anything and your ballot will be mailed to you. You don’t ever have to do anything in person.

There’s no reason to unregister someone from voting. In any state.

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[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can bet the National Guard would be deployed if a similar coup attempt is planned this time around.

[–] norimee@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would have bet on a more drastic response to a mob attacking an official building in the first place. But that didn't happen either.

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's for sure. Every one of those fuckers should have gone directly to jail that night. If that had been a George Floyd protest they would have just opened fire.

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Donald Trump controlled the DC National Guard on January 6th 2021. Joe Biden (or maybe Kamala Harris, if Joe steps down early) will control the DC National Guard in 2025.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

It's stupid enough that Ohio demands that the nominee be on the ballot before the convention and even they give a deadline after August.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You know as they say: if it looks ridiculous and sounds ridiculous, it's most likely the GOP.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If it walks like a moron, talks like a moron...

[–] don@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

…yep, it’s the GOP.

[–] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The Supreme Court call that "compelling"

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 months ago

Right? I used to think it would be ridiculous for a former president to foment a violent insurrection of their own government and not be held accountable for their words and actions.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just like all of Trump’s election fraud cases (over 60 of them), this will be immediately thrown out as superfluous and/or for inability to provide any evidence.

Dems haven’t even held the convention to nominate yet, so GOP can keep cryin’ until November.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm just waiting for SCOTUS to declare a winner again. I doubt that will go over as smoothly as it did in 2000.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That didn't go over very smoothly. Bush II was extremely unpopular until 9/11 bailed him out.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Given the bizzaro timeline we're in it would not surprise me to get a crazy outcome:

  • GOP lawsuit wins, forcing the ballot to be Biden
  • Biden wins the general election, immediately resigns and...
  • Harris is the President.

What would be really hilarious is, I think that would allow her to serve two more 4 year terms after her 2025-2029 term ends because she would not have run as President the first time.

[–] excral@feddit.org 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What would be really hilarious is, I think that would allow her to serve two more 4 year terms after her 2025-2029 term ends because she would not have run as President the first time.

That's incorrect. The 22nd amendment states: "no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once". So unless Biden would wait for at least two years before stepping down, Harris could only be elected for one more term.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 months ago (4 children)

it's hilarious that they're proving in real time just how pants-shittingly scared of harris they are.

"keep the old man in!!! we don't want to go up against a younger woman whom we can't publicly criticize for not being white!"

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 22 points 3 months ago

... whom we can't stop ourselves from publicly criticizing for not being white!

FTFY

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"DEI" is the new codeword for the "n-word" so they say it all day every day...

Imagine thinking you're being "smart" by not being openly racist, by being openly racist in your accusation that "this person couldn't possibly get here by their merits, they're here because of their skin color."

...yep still racist there little buddy...

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Supreme Court will show those experts who’s daddy

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago

Ridiculous pretty much sums up the GOP

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 15 points 3 months ago

SCOTUS - Something, something, this is illegal however only when Democrats do it.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe we can get a class action together for their lies and misinformation?

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

They should have been running on a platform instead of grievance politics. Then it wouldn't matter who they were running against.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Maybe don't have a platform where the only thing you do is shit on the other person and call them kindergarten level nicknames? What a bunch of snowflakes.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

More idiocy from the idiot party.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're welcome to try but I don't see how they have any standing to sue.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

SCOTUS said standing isn't important anymore though.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

The Supreme Kangaroo Court

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