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I was in 5th grade when my dad told me about the Nuremberg trials and the subsequent Milgram experiments.

Edit Wtf you sick perverts, I was talking about when your parents talk to you about authority bias and how you need to be suspicious of power structures that tell you to do things that you would normally consider horrible acts.

Jesus you can't talk about Nazis without someone dragging out Sex Ed these days smh

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I had to learn that stuff on the street

by which I mean the Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia, 1994 edition.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

For me it was the body book at the book fair. I learned what the outside and the inside of a boob looked like that day.

[–] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My dad taught me to be a freak in the sheets.

Excel sheets, to be precise.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

so you’re a pivot table man, then?

[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He started at the visual basic level, but now he's packing a full python experience.

[–] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

You have no idea how actually true that is.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Look, there must be limits. The amount of sex-demand one would get from doing something like this is beyond what any person could survive

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[–] officermike@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I was 18 or 19 when my dad scared me straight into learning to drive manual transmission.

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[–] lath@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Don't remember the specific age, but it was something in the vein:

"We gotta talk. You know about the sex stuff?"

"Yeah, no problem. Got the internet. Already a master or better."

"Eyyyyy!"

"Eyyyyy!"

And that was it. But seriously, the internet taught me more than biology class, without all the hoops and whistles.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Are the Milgram experiments a category on porn hub? I mean if it gives you a little zap who am I to judge?

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[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

I was 12 when my dad gave me the talk (the talk about how police will kill you if you aren't exceptionally polite to them). How having skin our color is very dangerous because police are afraid of us. So no quick movements.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

First girlfriend. Was 16 or so. Was coming home from seeing her, walking through the garage with a big dumb smile on my face.

My dad, without even turning to look at me just says;

"Don't be bringin' no babies home."

And that, as they say, was that.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Never.

My parents at the time were religious conservatives, and authority was expected to be followed. He did say that members of their religious organization had served as Nazis, because they had been drafted by their government, and that it was morally correct for them to have served their country, just as it was morally correct for American members of their church to also serve their country, and for both of these people to try their level best to kill each other at the behest of their respective countries. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."

It wasn't until I had a nervous breakdown in my very early 20s--due in large part to the extreme cognitive dissonance caused by membership in that religious organization--that I started to seriously question authority.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A) thank you for completing the assignment

B) man that's rough. That "leaving the cave" moment is something I think (hope) most everyone has sometime in their 20s. It sucks because it hurts, it's ugly, and at the very least puts strain on our most important relationships. Sometimes it breaks the relationship and we need to find new ones but that is absolutely painful too.

I hope in your introspection you've seen the ways you've grown and recognize where the boundaries are to forgive yourself and others, and know what ties were better off cut.

I've been in similar situations and honestly it's made me more empathetic and patient for anyone I see who seems to be off the path of being empathetic and patient. I hope when you run into someone who is in your footsteps that you treat them how you wish you were treated. ❤️

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sometimes it breaks the relationship

My parents and I had a very strained relationship for a long time. It took them a long time to accept that I had not only left their religion, but had converted to Satanism (the atheistic version). Interestingly, Trump in '16 broke a certain amount of their social conservatism, and may have turned them off to Republican governance entirely, because they saw--for the first time--just how awful the political party they believed in had become. They're old--both in their 80s--but they're finally starting to ask some of the fundamental questions about following authority for themselves.

recognize where the boundaries are to forgive yourself and others

That's the tough one, isn't it? I know that when I was a believer, I said and did some pretty awful shit to other people, shit they absolutely didn't deserve, because my entire worldview was warped. Sure, it wasn't my fault I was raised that way, and sure, it's hard to really question the foundation of your upbringing, but at the same time, I caused real harms even though I didn't intend to. You can't change the past; the best you can do it apologize where you can, and try to do better in the future.

treat them how you wish you were treated.

I try. And still, even 30 years later, in the heat of them moment, it's hard to be empathetic. It takes a degree of mindfulness that's hard. I continue to work on it.

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[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is OP shaming sex education?

The lack of proper sex education and making kids feel embarrassed about themselves is one of the main reasons why we have so many issues about sexuality and awareness. Not to mention unwanted pregnancies and STI's.

Next he's going to say that Albert Speer deserved more leniency for testifying because his testimony made it easier to convict the others.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Figured it out on my own somehow pretty early.. being a Jew in the 80s, people still remembered and it mattered. You knew people with numbers on their arms.

My son has understood since 1st grade. He watched X-Men 97 and jumped up saying the fascists attacking mutants were like Nazis and the Holocaust.

We talk about our family military history on both sides of the family, and their roles in WW2. I'm very proud to be an American taught to abhor injustice, and see it in my son's nature.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 weeks ago

Dad? What's a dad? Jokes aside, I was educated by the internet ... I wouldn't really trust my parents with any of that information.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I was 14 when my dad sat me down and told me how to behave around cops.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that related to the lemon stealing whores?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

based on my childhood trauma... no

but i don't know anything about these lemon stealing whores lol

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Never did. I think we were still waiting for his dad to give him "the talk".

They've both passed now. :(

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Damn, he never learned how to have sex :(

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, my parents never had any kind of talks with me.

I had an encyclopedia though.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Everything I needed to know I learnt from Microsoft Encarta.

[–] NadiaNadine@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When is the remaster coming out? This is the right era to re-release Mindmaze.

Either rewritten for modern perspectives, or with asterix footnotes. There's bound to be something un-pc in there.

Still, that's the reason I win at trivia. It would make for great short form content clips.

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[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

We had schools, teaching both about nazis and sex ed, because it's too important to leave up to whatever parent someone happened to get

[–] hono4kami@pawb.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What is "the talk"? Next time, write the question more clearly...

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Obviously it was about the Milgram experiments and until you read past the title you should keep taking your Adderall 😤

[–] hono4kami@pawb.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Incomprehensible, may God have mercy on you soul

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

My dad never gave me "the talk." It was my mother. According to her, when I was around 7-8 years old, she overheard one of my friends making crude remarks about having sex with women. And he didn't understand how a woman's biology worked, so he was extremely inaccurate in his description of the act.

My mother decided at that moment that I needed a lesson in how sex actually works, so she went out and bought an educational children's book about where babies come from. Then she sat me down and read through it with me.

Honestly, I kind of like the fact that I was taught so young. I was already mature for my age, and being taught before I was a ball of raging hormones meant that I could comprehend it from an educational standpoint and not a "what's wrong with my body/I need to get laid" mindset.

My school didn't teach sex education until 8th grade. By then, everyone was horny as hell and making poor decisions. Because I already understood how it all works (and no one wanted to ask our teacher all the embarrassing questions), I ended up being a bit of a relationship counselor for my friends.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How does this have anything to do with the Nuremberg trials?

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't, but then again, no one else seemed to be talking about them either, so I decided to contribute to the main discussion in the comments.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

OP edited the post two and half hours after putting it up to make it something else entirely.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nope, the edit was shaming everyone for their dirty, dirty minds. Right to the gutter they go. It says right there where I write edit

Btw this post, and thread, is filled with silly geese

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[–] wirelesswire@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

I grew up in a conservative christian household. "The talk" basically amounted to "Keep it in your pants until you're married. You can figure things out then."

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

At least your dad didn't sign you up to be a participant in a peer reviewed follow up to Milgram

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

UK here. I don't remember ever getting "the talk" from either parent. There might have been a late attempt that was shut down with "ugh, we learned it all at school already."

Those classes, at some point between 9 and 13, might have cleared up a few school-yard rumours, but I'm really not sure what I knew, what I thought I knew, and what I learned (and unlearned) at that time. It might even have been a year-long, once a week class, but it was a very long time ago now. I don't even remember what the lessons were called, because it wasn't "sex ed". Might have been "Health Studies" or something similarly vague.

As for the subversion of expectation in the OP text, I'm pretty sure we had some lessons on WWII, but I don't think we got into that much detail before I chose to stop studying History. My parents and grandparents certainly talked about the wars, but that was more about them and people they knew during that time rather than the geopolitical and ethical aspects of things. Perhaps a mention of Nazi propaganda from Lord Haw-Haw being on the radio.

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

My mom was taking undergrad classes when I was in highschool. She thought it was interesting, and we discussed it.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Quantum mechanics and all variations of analytical calculus were banned in my house growing up. I had to discover these things on my own by questioning the reality I experience with the errors in classical calculations I had been taught to make.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My dad gave me a Hustler magazine at 13 and called it a day. Thank my state government for having sex ed in schools, that shit was wild (but also I had porn on the Internet since 10 so not that wild).

Edit: to be fair, Hustler magazine has plenty about obedience and authority.

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