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Summary

Donald Trump announced plans to reform U.S. elections, including mandating paper ballots, same-day voting, voter ID, and proof of citizenship, while eliminating mail-in voting.

Trump criticized California’s ban on requiring voter ID, calling for a nationwide overhaul. Though mail-in and early voting surged during the pandemic, Trump has long opposed these methods, claiming fraud, despite evidence showing fraud rates are extremely low.

Critics argue his proposals could disproportionately affect rural, disabled, and nonwhite voters, potentially disenfranchising key Democratic-leaning groups.

The reforms would mark significant shifts in U.S. election policies.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 170 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

This is why he wants to do that.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 84 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for putting that plain text from the top of the post into a jpeg down in the comments.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I couldn't copy the plain text on jerboa, so I had to screen shot.

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On Jerboa: Tap the three vertical dots menu in the original post, Copy > Copy post text.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When he declared Nov would be the last election, and winning it meant they wouldn't have to worry about elections again, he meant it!

He's doing exactly what he said he would do.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yup. When a fascist tells you they are a fascist, believe them.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 138 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This is it folks. If he is able to transform our election system with his own two hands, we've had our last fair election, I guarantee it. Fraud will be baked in, circumventing any design elements that are ostensibly there to guard against it.

This is the scariest thing I've read since the election.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm expecting a third term now with 110% of the vote. NK style.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Like that scene at the end of The Dictator, when he finally holds election.

There are two vote boxes and all the citizens are queuing in front of the box that will vote for his opposition. A tank drives up next to that queue, and everyone leaves the opposition queue, rushing over to join the queue to vote for the dictator.

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

They weren't quiet about this being the last fair election we would have. I'm also not convinced it was actually a fair election.

But whatever...too late to bitch about the fascists now.

[–] 4grams@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

The writing has not even been on the wall here, it’s been part of the plan all along, he’s been saying it all along and it’s obvious after he tried to violently steal it last time.

We’re in a situation where our only hope I they are too incompetent to pull off the democracy destroying evil they are promising.

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[–] bquintb@midwest.social 81 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Goodbye democracy. We barely knew thee ...

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, clearly opening the door to discuss further changes to the election process. It's dying, and he doesn't want more people voting, he wants less, if at all

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 weeks ago

Real "stop testing" energy here.

If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any

"If we just stop voting, we'd have very few votes against me"

[–] crimsoncobalt@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

But.. it's the states that run elections, not the federal government. This doesn't make any sense.

[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t worry, I’m sure all the small government conservatives will stop this!

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

scotus would have to literally rewrite the constitution for the feds to have that much control over states' elections.

owait.

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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And you'll have to wait 10 hours to vote on a workday because they've limited voting locations to one every million people - like they already do in Georgia.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"mandating paper ballots... while eliminating mail-in voting."

Does he not know mail in ballots are paper ballots? 🤔

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The point is to eliminate voting options, the "justifications" are made up. Anything that moves closer to "not being able to vote" is the goal.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"We're gonna do things that have been really needed for a long time," he said. "And we are gonna look at elections. We want to have paper ballots, one day voting, voter ID, and proof of citizenship."

This should come with a national day off for voting, and mandatory voting requirement.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 2 weeks ago

Party that loves the troops want to eliminate way the troops vote.

[–] Aolley@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

fuck that, mail in voting has done so much good and it's a prime step in stopping all this. if we had national mail in voting things would get better fast so no wonder they don't want it.

what would this mean for states that already do this

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago

I think we all know what the party of small government and states rights thinks of states doing things they don’t agree with.

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[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

This motherfucker better be in a Popemobile 24/7. I got a bad feeling about this guy's future existence.

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Something something constitution

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/

What was that about States rights?

Oh, yeah, they only matter when they do what you want.

[–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oregon has entirely mail-in voting, since the 1990s. Good luck getting us to give it up.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 38 points 2 weeks ago

Still following putin I see. Wait until he tries to change Presidential term limits.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Wouldn’t he basically need a constitutional amendment to do this. Which would be almost impossible these days.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hard to say. voting is up to states for methodology but like we did have restrictions on state due to discrimation till recently that would not allow them to change their rules or purge voters like they do again nowadays.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Too bad for him the constitution clearly states "the states shall decide" - which is why we have the hodgepodge patchwork bullshit we have now. So he may want to change it, but unless he actually does light the Constitution on fire, this is unlikely to go anywhere.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

omm... the Republicans have the supreme court and are in the process of lighting the constitution on fire as we speak?

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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

cuts out 80% of the elderly vote in one swift motion

cuts out unprepared idiots who don't know any better before they leave their house

There goes his voters.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If he really wants to standardize voting at the national level, I think this might actually backfire on the GOP in the long run. Mail-in voting and early voting is extremely popular across the political spectrum, while lazy ignorant old people, the life blood of the GOP for over fifty years, often don't carry ID or even know where theirs is.

[–] 6gybf@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shutting down polling stations in democratic areas has been part of the disenfranchisement strategy to-date. I’m sure this policy is one step of a few to try and permanently take power…

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

'"f I win, you'll never have to vote again!"

-shitler

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[–] mkhopper@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But... I thought he said we wouldn't have to vote ever again?

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[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone else get those Republican mailers that said to be sure to get your mail-in ballot early? (I mean, like, a bunch of them.)

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Jesus fuck. If this asshole gets rid of mail-in voting in Colorado...our voting system here is FANTASTIC.

The qons ruin every thing. They plan on making everyone miserable and breaking everything.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 18 points 2 weeks ago

I am forced to file taxes every year and being a US citizen fucks my ability to invest in the retirement plans here because they all end up being PFICs which the IRS heavily penalizes. Fuck you, you're not taking my rights away. Forcing me to travel to not only the US, but to the state where I'm registered is not OK as that is thousands of dollars and days to accomplish.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Maybe it's just me, but it feels like a bad idea to do something that disenfranchises people at the moment.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Eliminate the Electoral College. None of this other crap.

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In elections where there needs to be a single winner so proportional representation does not work, how about this (already works in several EU countries):

Round 1: Anyone can participate if they have enough signatures. If anyone gets the majority vote, they automatically win and there is no round 2.

Round 2, 1 or 2 weeks later: Top 2 candidates from Round 1. No votes are carried over. Popular vote wins.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lmao good luck with that constitutional amendment, Donnie.

This half-baked nonsense is dead at conception because once again Republicans prove they don't understand government.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a shame that, despite not understanding government, they're about to have unfettered control of it.

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