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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 186 points 1 week ago (3 children)

An entire industry built on taking money they didn't earn to deny the care our doctors prescribe for us... Are we stupid??

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I mean, the electorate keeps voting for people who won't pass health care reform so.. Yes?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 34 points 1 week ago

worse, we vote for healthcare reforms that would take us back to when no one poor got any care at all. we elected our own killers

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Those people are the only options on the ballot though. We can't vote for something that's not an option

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The fuck are you talking about? First of all, primaries exist. Secondly, with only a few notable exceptions, Democrats favor single-payer. The original ACA was a government healthcare bill with a private option but Joe Lieberman was the holdout and gutted it. Stating otherwise is intellectually dishonest and deliberately ignorant, or at worst a malicious rewrite of history.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the last primary who was calling for a switch to a single payer healthcare system? None of the candidates were talking about that.

Joe Liberman left office in 2013. That was 11 years ago.

What the fuck are you talking about about?

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It was a private system with a public option, but 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other I guess.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Not only that , but voting for the people who are promising to make it even worse.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Propaganda told them to.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 26 points 1 week ago

Are we stupid??

Yup.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not stupidity, because over 99% of us didn't have a choice. It's greed. Greedy little piggy leaders of major systems designed to fuck over everyone but them.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 139 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Good. Burn it all down and replace it with universal healthcare.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like every other modern country! They all get better care for less money!!!

[–] spireghost@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, you see, America is bigger so it won't work for some reason

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just ignore economies of scales you little working class peasants. That doesn't work here.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because they have more people per capita, duh.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Awfully optimistic of you to expect that it'll be replaced by anything better.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If I don't have even a shred of optimism my mental health would be x10 worse. I need it, swiper no swiping. 🙃

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

Burn the industry to the ground.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is it 0? No?

Have a ways to go then.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Same goes for number of biz execs/CEOs.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What shit timing for this... Imagine if this happened like a year ago. Maybe Democrats could have actually had a reason to be pushed to talk about this... Seeing how even Magoos were happy the guy got killed maybe things could have been different.

We live in the stupid timeline though so somehow this will just get worse :/

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 45 points 1 week ago

1/3+ of the party wanted Bernie. Twice. And they couldn't be arsed to talk about it, his primary policy position. They're still not taking about it. Too much donor money involved for them to give a shit what their voters say.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Had a reason? They already had a reason. They had thousands of reasons. Thousands of Americans dying due to the shit industry. Is that not a reason enough for Democrats?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They always had the excuse of "people love their healthcare!" That's the line that was always trotted out. It would be pretty difficult to keep that line when we're literally executing healthcare CEOs and having a positive nationwide reaction to it.

If journalists would actually do their proper duty for the population and not their masters (lmao) they'd start pushing representatives on the topic as it relates to the response.

(Instead though we get articles like "Bad luck Brian was the working class hero, not Luigi" from the NYT. 🤮)

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Bernie's Medicare For All plan has been out there close to a decade now and I would argue that proposal is a huge part of his popularity. Democrats knew that and they told him, and by extension his supporters, to go fuck themselves. They know people want this but they don't care.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Dems killed off single-payer years ago. Obamacare was designed to be dogshit under their watch. Sorry friend, we both are in the sufferin'-timeline where the DNC never does anything but crush any chance at progressive policy that could "hurt" their rich donors

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

That not entirely accurate. Just a wander through the wiki on the history of the ACA shows what happened, both the efforts and roadblocks, the improvements to what was before, as well as the limited time frame.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good. Shareholding and profiteering off healthcare should not be a thing. It should be a government service not a business, although I'd bet a million dollars I don't have, that it won't happen under Trump. And if it ever does happen, they had better fucking plan it to be rock-solid against ruthless cutthroat cheating grifters like him.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Portip: short stock. Pump bullets into CEOs. Profit from dump.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

That's an actual series of missions in GTAV

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

magdump/stockdump

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm not entirely sure why the stocks are falling. Does anybody think they're going to tidy up their profit margins? They're going to walk around in armored limousines with security details. And the new administration is going to make absolutely certain they can still bulldoze their way through.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One of them already walked back a "we will limit the amount of anaethestic you're allowed in surgical procedures" they'd announced.

The market sees that the CEOs fear for their lives and want to make it sound like they care rather than deny care, so profits will fall, because paying for healthcare is a lot more expensive than paying a call centre worker to say no.

Hence the industry as a whole is less profitable, because, you know, what with death being so unpopular suddenly these days amongst healthcare CEOs.

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[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago

For once, we have a good news.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

JackNicholsonYesYESS.gif

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like tHe mARkEt thinks something will gut the industry. But there is no indication of actual real change happening. So what's going on?

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The rich are experiencing fear and reacting emotionally.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

5 to 13 percent isn't a big deal really. I bet it's not even due to what article implies. investors don't care about public perception, they're worried that UHC changed course on a lucrative planned policy (restricting anaesthesia) and might do so again impacting profits.

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was Anthem Blue Thingy that changed course, not UHC.

Ah yes thanks for that you're right

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

Wut?

U.S. regulations have three levels of a circuit breaker, which are set to halt trading when the S&P 500 Index drops 7%, 13%, and 20%.

Granted that’s the main market index not an individual security, but a 5-11% drop is significant. Iirc the last time it ended the day’s trading for the S&P was the start of COVID, when investors ran a fire sale liquidation because nobody knew if the whole world was going to die.

A downswing is a hurdle to recover from in raw math terms, and represents a bigger blow to vibes based trading, especially given the legislative (virtue signaling so far) action on anti-trust, or the current popular sentiment against insurers.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 week ago

Most of these ghouls only care about money, so maybe this will help

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