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I'm dumbstruck as to what to do. The US is building literal concentration camps, and none of my co-workers care at all.

In fairness, I work in healthcare with an almost exclusively cishet white population who are financially well off.

Many of them espouse to be Christians, and no one cares at all that the American government is following the exact playbook from Nazi Germany.

What do you do? How do you make people care before it's too late?

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

You don't.

A large swath of Americans have made it clear they don't care to pay attention and won't care until it personally affects them.

So we're simply going to have to watch our nation decline until the majority of Americans have personally been affected. Then we'll begin a long, difficult path to gaining back what we lost, just to get back to where we were before the decline happened. Then we'll be happy to be back in the same shitty situation we were before and probably let things slide back into a decline again.

Americans are stupid. And there's nothing you can do to change that.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 40 minutes ago

My (great)-grandparents were part of the Dutch resistance during WW2. Along with a full 1.5% of the population.

Most people will not do anything, even if they are literally rounding up people for a genocide.

On the more positive side, a lot of people will support the resistance in small ways.

The number of people who actually, whole heartedly collaborated with the Nazi's was quite small.

Even some of the German soldiers stationed in their village would turn a blind eye. Some of them realized they were on the wrong side and they just did the bare minimum of what they needed to do to not get in trouble and not get killed.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 6 points 1 hour ago

I sometimes wonder is Trump does a lot of crazy sounding shit to make people who speak against him sound insane.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 16 points 3 hours ago

Have you ever wondered how people reacted to the original Nazis in the 1930s? Well... now you know. If can feel proud of something, it is at least I am extremely against it and the whole 'what would you have done?' is basically answered definitively for me.

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 7 points 3 hours ago

Something I've had to accept over the course of my life is that the vast majority of humans will passively accept anything as long as they feel like there's something they can do to not be killed. Only when it feels out of control whether they might be killed will the majority of people feel the need to act and no sooner. There has never been any changing this. Fortunately the vast majority of people are not needed to affect positive change. People who care need to set the tone and followers will follow as they do. Your efforts would be better served among people actively resisting or building structures that benefit people.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't do anything particular, I guess

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

Perhaps you can find inspiration from Daryl Davis, who convinced 200 Klansmen to give up their robes.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago

Not everything works out in life.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

You could start by engaging and reaching out. For example, assuming someone doesn't care because of their race, gender identity and job is kinda shitty. Maybe look into those internal biases.

The next part would be finding out how they are and will be effected by this new presidency. Sometimes people have a hard time caring about a problem if it doesn't affect them directly. You might have to get to know your coworkers rather than make assumptions about them to learn this.

Being polite and nice to them also helps, no one wants to hear from someone who's screaming at them.

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 10 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I had a conversation with my second grade teacher on Instagram the other day. I posted Matthew 25:35-40 on my story with the comment “I can’t believe so many Christians I know support a president and a government that would willingly and forcefully kick Jesus himself out of the country thousands of times.”

She replied saying that this verse doesn’t apply for the same reason that I don’t allow just anyone into my house: because there are people who shouldn’t be there. There’s just so many things wrong with her logic AND her premises that I barely knew where to start, and that’s part of the problem. Fascism works by sowing doubt in the fabric of credibility. All she really knows is that her idea of Jesus comforts her, and so finding comfort somewhere probably means she can find Jesus and righteousness there too. You can’t really teach someone to care because they probably already do care, but you have to teach them to see the things that are actually happening, to trust the real experts, and to see the connections between themselves and the people who need care.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 hour ago

A good Christian would let people stay in their house, though. If they were robbed, they would still have treasure in heaven.

More Christians faith is paper thin at best.

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

In Luke, when Jesus says (again) to love thy neighbor literally the next question someone poses to him is "but who is my neighbor?" Jesus responds with the tale of the Good Samaritan. In this story there is a man, a traveler from a foreign land, who was robbed and beaten and left on the roadside, suffering and ignored by passing strangers (including a priest). The Good Samaritan feeds him, fixes him up, and puts him up at an inn.

There's two laws... two. The first is to love God, the second is to "go and do likewise" as the Good Samaritan did. I'm a godless commie and I know this shit.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I would say that the initial problem here, is that people give a single shit what a 2000+ year old, bronze-age sex manual, has to say about literally fucking anything.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

If they claim to care about it then it can be used to point out their hypocrisy.

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago

Sure, but part of the problem then is that you have to convince them of that, and that’s even harder than arguing and using the Bible as at least part of your premise

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

To help you find an answer i'll return you the same question: why did you not care about US building concentration camps and following the fascist playbook until now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Julian_Assange

[–] jmj88@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

They’ve been doing this shit for decades. Why all the sudden are you in such a frenzy?

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The US has always crossed lines when it comes to treatment of prisoners, but this is different and you know it. Traditionally the US has always been an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy in order to claim legitimacy. Now in under two weeks the Trusk regime has completely restructured everything in an effort to turn all instructions into a manifestation of their will. Mark my words, if you don't see the difference now, you will soon.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 55 minutes ago

Now it's even worst ok but we are discussing why people don't care and my suggestion to find an answer is to think about why you didn't care in the past when it was bad already.

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Do you know that they didn't?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

OP seem to be lamenting only about the "latest" US government policies.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

Not sure if youre gonna get blasted when everyone else gets on later, but you're correct. The US has always done shit like this. Obama and Biden spoiled these people lol.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What a fucking stupid, useless reply.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 54 minutes ago

less stupid than the one you just made

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 32 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I heard something on a radio show during Covid on how to talk to people who have "gone down the rabbit hole". It was discussing MAGA as a cult. The guest on the show was a woman who was raised in a cult in the 70's and she "got out" and spent her time talking with others in the cult to help them to break free. I can't find a reference to the show, but I think it was Carrie Miller hosting.

My takeaway was that you can't come at people and tell them that everything they know is wrong and you will show them the way. They'll fight you. You need to deprogram them similarly to how they were programmed into the cult. Small bits, here and there to slowly guide them to questioning their beliefs. Once that happens, show them how to research and seek out information and let them know that they will be safe.

If someone found a link to the podcast/radio show, I'd be super happy.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't waste your energy on people who won't listen.

Look for people, places and groups that support your own beliefs.

If you can't find those people at work, then just be nice to them but not too close. Them in your free time, use your energy to support those people and groups you believe in.

Don't waste your time on those who won't listen.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

What do you do when those people are your family?

Easier said than done (though recent events have made it a little easier).

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