Simce when is a giant computer screen glaring in your face considered minimalism? I would argue the buttons return the car to proper minimalism. So glad to see this! Can we just yank all of those screens out of future vehicles?
this post was submitted on 26 Oct 2023
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I dont think removing the screen complete is the right way around this. Having something that can display maps and more information is good. But it should have never become the only thing.
You need buttons and easy access to functions that are always available in easy to remember places. So that you aren't spending attention away from the road when you want to change the fan control.
Fuck this bullshit touchscreen only nonsense, actual physical buttons are superior in a car.
As somone that lives in a dark sky rural area, the computer screen totally distracts and prevents your eyes from seeing the road where there are no streetlights. It is like driving with someone pointing a flashlight in your eyes that you can’t turn down.
Agreed. The screen should be an OLED so the blacks are actually off, and overall dim solely using easier colors at night, low intensity red hues are proven in Astronomy to not screw with your vision, for instance.
One of the first things I changed on my TLX when I got it was getting rid of the “blue everything” setting on the screens and going with a red interface and it made a world of difference.
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Physical buttons are better for everything that you want to be able to control without looking at
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(author) "...but it obviously defeats the whole purpose of minimalism. "
Fucking dumbass, A single button to do one thing IS minimalism. A screen area to many ISNT
Ngl I want my dash to look like a fucking airliner. I love that my MINI interior looks like a personal space ship from a 90s movie. Give me moar toggles!
I want everything to be toggle switches. If I could get a keyboard made of 105 classic toggle switches it would be worth the effort to type with it.
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Honestly surprised that Tesla allowed him to modify his car without charging him a $30,000 fine or something.
Meanwhile in my Volvo
Although it’s been this for a long while now
I know, I intentionally bought a 2017 so I would have physical buttons 😂
Thing is, I really wanted CarPlay / Android Auto support. Having had that with a 3rd party Alpine deck, I really got used to it. It’s hard to go back.
But, having some of those controls behind several menus and screens is really annoying. Oh well, at least it’s not a Telsa and I can turn the air vents manually.
I usually just prop my cellphone in front of the car's screen if I don't want to bother setting the car's NAV and I only play two radio stations when I drive so it doesn't bother me, but I understand what you're saying (although my experience with Android auto wasn't great).
Honestly I just wished the NAV could sync with my phone via Bluetooth even if it used Volvo's map, that's all I would need for it to be perfect.
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At least they have physical buttons below the screen for media, hazards and heated windscreens & seats, plus all the steering wheel controls.
For now. The new Volvos are getting what they developed for Polestar. Android Automotive for the head unit platform, which is dope, but even fewer physical buttons on the dash. 😬
https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/the-volvo-ex30s-interior-is-the-ikea-take-on-teslas-playbook/amp/
My guess is that this will change though. I don’t even see hazards on the dash. I don’t think that’s even legal in a lot of places.
Edit: also, the current generation setup on Volvos has physical controls for audio, hazards, window defrost, lights, cruise, voice control, seat position, drive mode, and vent orientation. Seat temperature is on the screen next to climate controls.
Unfortunately that’s absolutely hideous.
Functional vs pretty... When it comes to something that affects safety I'll take functional.
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This seems like a great idea to me. Touch screens are a terrible way to operate controls while driving. Some car companies have begun backing off from the trend and are moving back to buttons for some functions.
Touch screens are great for dynamic interfaces, but terrible for anything that involves feedback or a tactile experience.
My vehicle - though not a Tesla - still pisses me off that all the stereo controls except the power button are touch-based (even power appears to be a software-activated button as it failed once when the unit locked up). The saving point on my vehicle is that the steering controls (volume, prev/next) do still exist as physical buttons.
At the very least, they're should be a physical on/off, and physical dials/controls for volume and heating adjustments so a driver can change those without taking eyes off the road.
I fully expect that aftermarket buttons for dashboards will become a range of popular products, from things like this all the way up to a full dashboard replacement.
Physical buttons will now be a paid option on vehicles...
When they should have been mandated long ago for safety reasons.
This was my first thought. I've never even been in a Tesla, so I didn't know they didn't have the basic functions on buttons. In terms of safety, having a specific button in a known location that does a specific thing is extremely important.
How does it work on a Tesla, voice control? That might be good. If you have to scroll through menus on a tablet to turn the A/C up or down, that's a severe safety issue (and likely illegal in many countries to do while the equivalent of the ignition is on).
"hey Tesla, turn on the defroster"
---"ok, indicating right"
"No! I need defrost!"
---"I didn't get that, say again"
"Turn on the windshield defrost"
---"ok, wipers on high"
You've used Tesla voice control I see.. :p
Welcome to the world of tomorrow!
Lots of cars today have this touchscreen nonsense for controlling everything.
By 2016, even Honda/Acura started using it on higher end models. Which is funny, because my early 2000's Honda has nice, big, obvious, easy-to-use-without-looking AC controls.
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And if you don’t pay your monthly fee, the car will just ignore those buttons.
Available via OTA software update….
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For the Tesla enthusiasts that want their car to feel like a real car.
I'll just get something else than a Tesla when EV's get common enough.
I'm also interested in seeing used car prices for EVs. Like how much is a 20 year old Tesla/EV worth, and what range do you get at that time?
It's not a Tesla nor 20 years old, but:
Before my Leafs battery melted (no active cooling, thanks Nissan) we were being offered 16k or so on the private market when it was 4.5 years old. Had gone from a max range of about 154 to 140ish in that time
It has a brand new battery now so that changes things, I'll admit. Newer cars will have longer lasting batteries in no small part thanks to cooling the fucking Things lol
You just made me realize I want a standardized modular interfacing system for dashboards. Like a Framework laptop for cars. That would be so dope
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One of the biggest non-problematic problems I have with newer cars is the lack of physical buttons. I also really dislike the trend of everything becoming minimalist, so I 100% support these types of modifications so long as they can be safely implemented.
Minimalism can be nice, but Tesla seems to do this just for cost savings. Didn't they remove some "important" physical buttons from the steering wheel recently?
I wonder how he did it. Can you program your Tesla ?
Programming your Tesla would mean that you upload software that your car runs. I think you can't do that, but you should be allowed to.
As it's a matter of public safety, and as part of a right to repair, all of the software that runs in cars should be open source, and should be able to be updated by the owner.
This is a terrible idea. What stops me from uploading a broken piece of shit fork that puts others at risk while I'm driving?
The same as every other thing that puts people at risk: consequences
The law stops you. Open source just means that you can access the code and modify it. Open source does not mean that you have automatically met the legal requirements to certify that software for use on public roads. That would be an additional hurdle that any automotive software would have to pass. But, most legal systems are stone age compared to software development and any sufficiently new technology. Still, right to repair and open source does not mean that you can operate outside of regulations.
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The same thing that prevents you from putting in a piece of shit knockoff part that puts others at risk while you're driving?
You're desire to not die.
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I really want a formula one steering wheel. Give me a bunch of useful and programmable controls right next to my damn fingers.
No doubt in my mind they'll remove you from the fast charge network if you plug this in the U.S. Even more now as this is making rounds online.
I read Tesla X owner and immedeately thought of Musk
I still think it’s theoretically possible to do a touch interface right… but nobody has figured it out yet. Any interaction that requires you to navigate between multiple menus while driving is doing it wrong, but if you could get all the relevant buttons on screen, in predictable enough locations that people can click them while driving, it could work….
But at that point I’m not sure there’s much benefit to the screen vs physical buttons.
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