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I use Ubuntu btw. Poweroff could use more write cycles on the SSD because it has to read everything at startup, but suspend has to keep supplying power to the RAM

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

y'all been powering down your systems?

had my servers up for like a decade or more...

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Nearly always suspend. It just works for me and I've never had issues (Arch and Pop). I rarely, rarely have power outages so the end result is the same.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

I could care less about the 5 cycles from 10.000.000 total cycles (dunno the actual number) at least for my desktop.
As for my proxmox server: 5% wearout

[–] nettie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I use the hybrid: suspend to ram, then after 2 hours, automatically suspend to disk - in the final state it uses zero power. And, if you have encrypted your drive (you DO encrypt your drives, right?!) then you need to enter passphrase on resume from hibernate, so safer if device was nicked.

[–] midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm lazy and use systemctl poweroff! 😆

[–] anachrohack@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I power off so that my drive encrypts when I'm not using it

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah I am a bit paranoic sometimes about it too

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

I definitely shut down my systems from time to time just to make sure my network is configured correctly and shit doesn't go haywire because I'd rather have that happen than the power go out and everything comes crashing down

[–] tauren@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Suspend. The amount of power required to keep RAM alive is negligent.

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Suspend. The amount of power required to keep RAM alive is negligent.

I believe, based on context, that you mean to use the word “negligible.” The sentence means the opposite of what you intended it to mean if you use “negligent.” As in, “It would be negligent to waste that much power.”

[–] nettie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I agree with negligent! Using suspend to ram for extended periods, eg nightly or over weekend will kill your battery life.

My work machine (Ubuntu) gets suspended at the end of the day during the week and shut down on Friday. It's a good balance between keeping my many programs running and ready and cleaning up regularly.

I always shut down my desktop pc (Arch, btw) as it takes just a few seconds to boot up.

My laptop (Arch) I shut down because suspend never worked.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 11 hours ago

Power off because usually when I turn my laptop off, I'm going to be keeping it off for a long enough period of time that suspend would just not be worth the battery drain.

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 9 points 12 hours ago

Power off to get the full security benefits of disk encryption.

[–] fum@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Power off unless I'll be using it again soon.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 112 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I rip the plug out of the wall without warning. Gotta keep your machines on their toes or they'll get too comfortable and start plotting against you.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Else it gets the cord again

[–] taxon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I've had to start counseling sessions with my MongoDB. It thinks I'm conducting stress tests, but really I'm just maintaining discipline.

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[–] zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You guys are turning off your computers?

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I am trying to be more energy conscious so I've been turning mine off more as of late, but ya in the past I typically left my machine up for 7 - 14 days and only power off/reboot after updating.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I remember older gaming forums where people would have their uptime in their post signatures.

Edit to add: upon reflection it was all the more impressive because almost all gaming PCs were Windows.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 2 minutes ago* (last edited 1 minute ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_formatting_and_storage_bugs

Microsoft Windows 95 and Windows 98 had a problem with rollovers in a virtual device driver, VTDAPI.VXD, which used unsigned 32-bit integers to measure system runtime in milliseconds; this value would overflow after 49.7 days, causing systems to freeze.[93]

The horrifying thing here isn't just the bug, but that this made it into two major releases of Windows because the system was sufficiently-unstable that it wasn't tracked down for years.

One area where desktop computers have come a very long way in the past 30 years is in OS stability.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

My laptop, I'd just suspend to RAM, unless I was going somewhere without it for a couple of days or more.

The desktop is always on. The monitors suspend, but everything else is sucking power. I expect with frequency scaling, it's not as bad as it used to be, but then, in ye oelden days I didn't do nightly backups to the cloud and disc, or sync data between servers and run other odd, automated jobs.

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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I always power off any computers that I won't be using anymore for the day. Be it desktops or laptops. My parents always taught me that leaving devices on (or even connected to power) when not using them was a fire hazard. Although I think it's a bit overblown, powering off anything I don't need has stuck as a habit and I see no reason to change it. With SSDs the startup time had become fast enough to make me stop caring. The wear and tear on the SSD is also not that big of an issue. My laptop and its SSD are from 2014 and have been subjected to the worst of my programming abilities, yet they still function fine.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even without considering any firehazard I simply enjoy starting from a clean slate every time I start a pc.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 3 points 8 hours ago

Yeah that as well. Same with my browser. I tend to configure my browser such that it clears all open tabs when closed.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago

Power off because it boots in under a minute

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depends.

My desktop gets powered off because I don't use it often and it sucks a lot of energy and is loud.

My Steam Deck gets suspended when I'm not using it because that's usually in the middle of a game and I don't want to hear the game sounds all the time or accidentally do something.

My laptop is running 24/7. At night I use it to listen to science videos to help me sleep. And in the day I watch stupid YouTube videos to help me cope with life.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not to mention the steam deck has a weird bug on it that if you leave it powered off for too long, for some reason it decides to just not turn on anymore unless you hook it to power. Super annoying because it will turn on and say something like 80 or 90% power, but the button won't actually boot the system unless it has a power hookup. I've on a few occasions had to use reverse power charge from my phone to the deck to trick it into booting on the go. Once you hear the beep saying its turning on you can unplug it. Weirdest thing

[–] ScientifficDoggo@lemmy.zip 5 points 13 hours ago

I think that has something to do with battery storage mode flipping on iirc.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm in the habit of powering off so that if my laptop is lost or stolen I will have the peace of mind of my data being in an encrypted state.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

I suspend it, until I get around to set up hybernation. I don't care about startup time. I care about all the windows being there exactly as I left them, without exception.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

After shutting down anything in use, I use suspend set for a 35-minute delay. Most evenings I listen to bed-time audio. Ubuntu hasn't been terribly reliable, works about 2/3 of the time.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 4 points 23 hours ago

Power off, since my computers boots pretty quickly.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Power-off.

The read-weakening has almost no effect, and I like a clean boot.

Also it cleans up memory, modern kernels are good, I'm used to old OS's that leaked memory like a sieve.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

I just turn off the screens, and I have a usb switch to switch off my keyboard and mouse (a cheap usb flip switch + a small usb hub).

Reboots when needed.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

With how fast boot times are nowadays? I shutdown nightly and save me the hassle of having to worry about some weird oddity occurring, usually it doesn't but every once and a blue moon plasma hangs on the lockscreen and I get greeted with either a broken desktop or a pitch black screen, both usually are easiest to resolve via rebooting anyway.

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I power it off to save electricity

[–] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I just keep my laptop on for weeks on end, until the kernel updates or something else that needs a restart, last 6 months I prob only turned it off 7 times.

And no, I don't really feel any effects cause it's linux which doesm't get clogged up like windows and power usage just idling is the same as just suspending.

Also personally don't use stuff like suspend or hibernate ever. Even have them completely disabled on my systems.

Note: I'm on nixos not ubuntu tho.

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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Power off because I don't know when I'll be back. If I know I'm back in a few minutes or an hour? That shit stays on.

[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 day ago

I close the lid and don't give a damn what happens.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

To be honest the experience over multiple laptops and multiple Linux distributions with regards to suspend or hibernate has been absolutely terrible for me. I now set my browser to remember all my tabs and simply shut down my machine when I'm not issuing it. It starts up in 30 seconds or less which is maybe 15 seconds more than waking from suspend or hibernate and it's not likely to break or require complicated set up.

🤷

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, because of the same experience for the last 2 decades, I always shut my stuff down as well.

Then I gave an old laptop with Linux to my ~~neoprene~~ nephew. And without further discussion or thinking, he just pressed the power button, when he wanted it to be off - which triggered some kind of sleep mode
I was so fucking nervous during that, as I had never tested for that, and for the young generation growing up with smartphones that was the obvious move.
But surprisingly it works like a charm and goes into some kind of standby.
At least I didn't got any complains...

[–] Panda@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't neoprene a synthetic material?

My husband also uses the power button to power off his PC. I didn't even know it was a thing until he asked me to do it for him at some point and I was very confused. He's on Windows. I didn't know this worked on Linux as well (though I know it's a thing on laptops). Is there a way to configure what it does (on PC) like it does on laptops?

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Ah, fucking auto correct

Should have read: my nephew ;⁠-⁠)

Edit: and regarding your question:
Yeah, there some power management tools/deamons to configure in Linux, how to handle what.
Depends a bit on your distribution/environment, which tools are available - or make sense to be installed

[–] smort@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

IIRC in the UEFI (aka BIOS), there’s usually a setting to dictate what a tap of the power button does—usually sleep, hibernate, or power off.

Try tapping F10, F12, or Del during early startup to get into the UEFI setup

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

Always power off everything and anything i can eg , routers, TV,, switches, desktop PC etc

[–] tehWrapper@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe cause I'm old but boot times are so quick if I need to move i just shutdown throw it in my backpack and go. I don't want it on in any fashion while in my bag and hibernating to disk means all my shell sessions and anything else disconnected anyhow.

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[–] Paid_in_cheese@lemmings.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For my full desktop, I turn it off when I'm not using it. It basically exists to do heavy compute tasks. I basically do that a few times a week. There's no reason to leave it on if I'm not in the middle of a job. That would be true regardless of the O.S. I'm using on it.

My main computer, I suspend. Usually, I try to make sure that happens on purpose because Ubuntu has this impossible to troubleshoot behavior^1^ that seems to happen more often if it falls asleep on its own.

I would be more inclined to shut it down but I'm particular about my windows and it takes what feels like an hour to get everything just so after reboot. I can't deal with that every day. (Nor am I thrilled about how often Ubuntu LTS wants me to reboot for updates. My desktop needs Ubuntu Studio LTS but my main computer doesn't. When I get time and energy, I'm switching it to Mint so I can deal with someone else's obnoxious choices for a change without learning an entirely new distro.)

^1^ The behavior is not recovering video on wake. It does seem to be working but following the commands I have memorized to shut it down from inside a virtual terminal don't work. The only way to get it down is to hold the power button for "4 seconds" or pull the power plug.

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