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[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I used to be like this until I got a job that required constant phone calls. Now if I have to explain something using more than three sentences I'd much rather just talk.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

6 years of tech support and I dread email troubleshooting because I know it will take two weeks and 13 exchanges before we can actually start troubleshooting.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hello otacon239, thanks for contacting lemmy technical support. My name is tja, I love dogs and I will be thrilled to help you today. I understand that you dread email troubleshooting because it will take two weeks and 13 exchanges to actually start troubleshooting, is that correct?

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

COMPUTER NOT WORK!!!!!!!! FIX!!!!!!!!

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hello otacon239, I understand that this is not what you expected and when a computer doesn't work can sometimes get frustrating. My dog sometimes misbehaves and I also find it unacceptable. I'll be happy to help you with your problem. Could you provide me the computer logs, electricity bills, last tax declaration, birth cirtificate in long form with 3 copies and the proof of Fermat last theorem?

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago
[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

I've worked as phone support for a year and I hate phonecalls even more.

I'd rather send an email with detailed steps and let people follow the instructions at their own pace. If they fail - remote.

Phonecalls are a weste of everyone's time.

[–] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is the same as me. Outside of work, though, I'm the cat in the meme.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree. It really is just way simpler and also in most cases it solves whatever problem you have much faster.

[–] somedev@aussie.zone 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The trick is to not respond for an hour and hope their next message is "nvm, fixed it"

[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Unironically works. They start typing the email and rubber-ducky themselves half of the times.

[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

No irony, this is a core skill when you're in tech leadership. If you're the people pleasing type, always replying immediately is a classic trap.

[–] officermike@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Easier if you send it to me in writing so I can properly digest it instead of having it immediately spill out of my ears.

[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I'm with you on this. I prefer important conversations that require me to make a decision or remember something in writing. Just general conversation about what you got up to on weekend? Fine let's talk it out.

I understand so many more people prefer verbal communication because it's easier for them to not have to type or put their thoughts into written words. I just wish more of them understood that it's not the same for everyone and come to a compromise.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay, but this is less of a question and more of me having 10,000 choices to make that I'm not actually allowed to decide.

So can you just sit on the phone with me and tell me which buttons I can press without getting fired?

[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Seems like a management issue.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Christ, tell me about it

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's a pretty standard bandwidth/latency tradeoff in my view: email is high bandwidth (it's in writing, you can re-read, etc.), whereas phone is low latency (several back-and-forth explanations can happen in seconds). Each has its place.

If social anxiety is a factor, that's a perfectly valid, but separate, issue.

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

I think my main problem is how disruptive it is to your focus. With text I can write a semi quick response then get back to what I was doing. Whereas a phone call requires me to drop everything and give a fellow human my full attention in realtime. It tends to drain my already small social battery.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago

email is high bandwidth

I don't think the reasons you stated are about bandwidth, and considering writing an email is IMO more effort than explaining on a phone call and will take me longer, I'd argue phone calls are higher bandwidth than email - at least in one on one conversations, since things change when you want to inform multiple people.

Though of course what you listed is important, and it sucks when people refuse to write out basic details that you could come back to later or forward to somebody else.

Y'all don't talk?

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At work this request means “I’m going to ramble for 45 minutes because I don’t understand it enough to form a question”.

[–] CrispyCactus@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is exactly what my dad does. "It's easier" means "I can't be bothered to spend five minutes figuring out what the question I really want to ask is, and write it out in a ten word text. So instead I'll ramble for fifteen minutes and hope you figure it out for me."

When people say "it's easier" they mean for them, not you.

[–] NecroParagon@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Some of my friends insist on calling. Apparently they're used to doing VIDEO calls. Like guys, please, have some mercy.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

VIDEO calls

One of the bigger reasons I don't want an iPhone. I'd much rather talk than text as it usually is quicker, but I hate video calls.

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Sometimes it really is much easier though.

[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As long as they ask before they call it's no problem. If they call without writing first it's annoying

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[–] caesaravgvstvs@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Me: yes

Me after the call: "could you send a summary of what we discussed?"

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'll even slip in a passive aggressive, "this is why I prefer emails" or, "maybe next time you can just send me this"

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'm gonna want a paper trail, so let's just cut out the middle step and do it by email from the start

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If they need to call me it's either actually complicated, or (much more likely) they haven't spent enough time to refine their idea to where they could just write it down.

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[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I begin every business-related phonecall with "I'll want this in writing", and end it with "please send me an email with a summary of what we've talked about".

Guess what, the amount of phonecalls and complaints has halved, because I have proof in writing.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly this. If it wasn't confirmed in writing, it didn't happen.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My manager is like this. I don't know how to him it's easier to talk about something technical over the phone rather than in chat or email. When talking to people about IT crap, you have to sugar coat and use euphemisms which I don't have to do as much in email and the benefit with email is I can convey literally what I'm trying to do. My manager just doesn't want to fucking ready my emails.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, why would anyone want to have a two minute phone conversation when they could exchange the same amount of information over 20 emails across three days?

[–] toxoplasma0gondii@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly: the medium does not matter all that much imho. The one person in the conversation not being able to get their shit together is the problem. If everyone involved can communicate what they want to get done by when and what i have to do with it, im fine with a phonecall. Im even willing to summarize it via text afterwards if i don't have to be the fucking rubber ducky again. Ugh.

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"No."

Crisis averted, can get back to fixing things now. The only way you're getting me on the phone is if there's some audio component to the problem (alarm buzzers or tones they aren't able to identify) that isn't easy to explain in text. Other than that, there are usually just a handful of common issues and you can tell which path we're going down after a sentence or two of their description.

[–] SuDmit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The hell is this comment section? Is every lemmy user some kind of IT person? There is place for text, there is place for calls, and there is even place for actual presence, all depending on actual problem and yours and other person's understanding of it and ability to articulate through different mediums.

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

I think an abnormally large portion of lemmings are in IT

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

"did you leave the milk out of the fridge?"

Usually such a simple yes/no answer in my experience.

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's my sister. Good fucking god. I don't care about the supposed drama of your workplace. It is not interesting. You'd think that my tone would be enough to get thru her thick skull that I HATE TALKING ON THE PHONE but noooo...

[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Aww she just wants an outlet 🥲

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[–] goofystench@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

im introverted but i actually prefer this than arguing over text

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm mostly this way, but not today.

I had someone with an issue signing up for an account mention that they were not successful because when they tried to sign up, they got a message that they weren't eligible because there was already an account using that email address.

I told them if they have a Gmail account, just use the + addressing feature, otherwise, just create a Gmail account.

Someone else responded on the first person's account "But they don't have Gmail, so they can't do it."

Let me tell you, THIS is a situation where a call is necessary. There's nothing I can type that will suddenly unravel the layers here and that won't lead to more layers being laid. It will be 100000000000000% easier and less time consuming to schedule a meeting/call and talk through this than it would be to continue this discussion in text format.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I find zoom calls to be much more helpful than in person. In person I have to bring my laptop, point to things, find a place where we can both sit, and probably send you code snippets over chat anyway, not to mention literally looking over your shoulder.

meatspace is deprecated, get over it corpos.

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[–] elvith@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Me, sending a ticket to another team: "Man, I hope we can get this solved in the ticketing system"

Me, getting a ticket from another team: instantly calls them

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