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Elon Musk is turning US liberals off not just Tesla but electric vehicles in general
(www.theguardian.com)
He's also turning us off in general
this post was submitted on 30 Jul 2025
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I think only extremely expensive luxury models being available is keeping Americans from buying EVs. Like where are the cheap, dependable small cars, like in other countries!?
" For now, BYD and other Chinese EVs are virtually locked out of the US market due to tariffs."
And "safety concerns." Some are legit but in context, are probably safer than Teslas. The Chinese EV makers just need to buy more politicians.
In Aus , we have pretty strict safety over cars, the cybertruck will never be allowed on our roads due to safety issues, most of the byd range is currently available, and they are great cars! So, in this instance most likely def safer then at least 1 Tesla 😂
Seriously! Give me a Honda Fit sized electric hatchback that uses a modern charging standard (so not the Leaf).
Is this not the Chevy Bolt? Sure productions been on hiatus, but a late model used one is a pretty good price.
Did they ever lift the "don't park near structures" warning for those? I was considering one around the time they issued it, and have been hesitant on them since.
I'd love an electric fit at a reasonable price point
Yup. I hate Teslas, not EVs in general, but I also hate the pricing of them.
Are you only considering buying new? A ‘23 Chevy Bolt from carvana is about $16k
Are you sure it's not that North American EVs are fucking awful and expensive? And that foreign ones have artificial restrictions to prop up the out-of-touch NA manufacturers?
Yeah, the options for EV in the US are pretty horrible, and it's mainly because US manufacturers want to have their cake and eat it as well. They don't want to invest in EV manufacturing, which imo is fine. We shouldn't have to prod corporations into remaining relevant. However, they are also spending millions of dollars lobbying the government into protecting their market from competitors and into overturning climate initiatives.
We won't ever see these corporations invest in EV until an outside player forces their hands. Amazing how quickly the faux love of Free market economics became a thing of the past the moment there's an actual threat of competition.
Best case scenario imo is that America car manufacturers shit the bed so hard that Americans actually begin to start to care about public transportation. Trains are the most effective and efficient mode of transportation and always have been, ev are just a band-aid.
Knowing charge infrastructure isn't expanding and won't be maintained doesn't help
The theory put forth here doesn’t make a lot of sense. Are we sure left leaning people aren’t just becoming more anti-car in general?
For me, 5 years ago, buying an EV seemed like a great idea, albeit one I couldn’t really afford. But then I realized I could just reduce my driving by 90% and achieve the same benefit while saving money. So I don’t really need an EV anymore now that I barely ever drive.
I own two "EVs." They're bicycles.
Fuck yeah e-bikes are great.
It's such a beautiful confluence of technologies
If US liberals can't see the difference between Tesla cars and any old EVs, fuck US liberals quite frankly.
But I doubt it. If anybody is killing EVs in the US, it's Donald "What Epstein files?" Trump.
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EVs were always a distraction from our lack of public transportation.
Also, Tesla was redesigned after Musk bought it as a company to suck up green energy subidies to sell luxury cars at a premium instead of offering any real solutions.
Uh, no? I want an EV, though I want a small one that has a light touch on the environment. It's true that I don't want one that's from a Nazi wannabe, but I do want an EV that has decent range and can transport my wife and me for daily tasks. But maybe I don't catch the attention of US EV makers because I'd rather an e-bike than an E-SUV?
The new Prius is surprisingly good looking in person. Though, if I was going EV and had the money, I like those Lucids.
I'm probably one of these. was thinking EV but now did a 180 and am going to get a big old gas or diesel truck off craigslist.
the upside is I drive maybe once a week and bike and scooter otherwise so my carbon impact will still be low. it's just to haul wood for woodworking or take my trailer to the campsite.
another upside by getting it used and fixing it up is reducing waste and avoiding a car payment. most EVs are still new enough you're unlikely to be able to buy them used cheaply. I can get a used usable truck for under 5 grand cash.
I thought trucks were expensive because all the macho men want them and buy up the whole supply. The only truck I even owned was 27 years old for $1k and lasted like a year
Are they buying cargo bikes and lobbying for public transport improvements, or is this the stupidest timeline and we’re going to see liberals rolling coal in their diesel SUVs because fuck Elon?
I just want an electric pickup. Used Rivians are around $55k on Carvana. Used Mavericks are $25k.
Slate looks interesting
I don't think my heap is going to make it until product launch. ☹️
Build trains and bike lanes.
I'm still waiting for an EV minivan. And also ya know having the spare money which is a lot less under this admin because there's more uncertainty in everything and less regulation against exploitation.
the ID Buzz is really interesting to me, but just doesn't have the range. Ofc it's pricey as well.
The killer is that 60-70k price. Getting a similar hybrid is 40-50k and that extra 10-20k would take over a decade to reach break-even for me (about $75 in gas a month with the current conditions). Ofc I can buy used but used prices nowadays are insane.
I got a Kia plug in hybrid for less than 50k. Most of my miles are electric but I also don't have any range problems.
I have a hybrid so the upgrade to a PHEV isn't quite enough imo. The only phev minivan I see is the pacifica with a 32mi ev range. Like the price is closer but it still takes a long ass time for the price difference to be worth it.
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