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I know this is meant to be a casual conversation and this topic can get deep fast, but I’d love to hear everyone's elevator pitch for their religion or lack thereof. peace and love<3

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[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

No. I don't understand why anyone is, really. The whole idea is so weird.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I was born in China, I remember very early on, I was taught the concept of 命運 (fate), 投胎 (reincarnation), 上天 (the heavens) 睇住你 (are watching you), and 報應 (karma)... lot of that stuff.

My mom told me that if I "waste food", i'd 畀雷公劈 (get stuck by lightning by the "god of thunder"; or some bullshit like that)

A lot of Chinese drama has those spiritual themes

One time I was like: "so what religion are we?"

Then my mom was like 道教 (Taoism), but I was so confused like I thought it was 佛教 (Buddhism)?

So idk what ever the fuck their "religion" is?

My mom always said "唔可以全信但唔可以唔信" (you can't believe it all, but you also can't no believe any)

And she also told me the story about the tale of man that was "waiting for god to save him" when it was flooding" and said that guy was stupid

I used to believe in Santa, then I found out my uncle was the "Santa", so yea I just stopped believing. I used to believe in ghosts cuz all the Chinese ghost stories in media, but then I stopped believing.

I read a lot of Western Atheism stuff... Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins... so I believed less and less...

I still sort of hang on to the reincarnation thing as a sort of copism, well not the karma stuff, but more as in "matter cannot be created or destroyed" so it must be recycled, that sort of way...

We weren't able to see atoms for a long time, maybe there's a "soul" that we cannot yet measure? (I know atheists are gonna say I'm being silly xD)

Like the "fate" thing is just so bizzare. I wasn't supposed to be born as a second child during One Child Policy, so I feel like "maybe 'god' intervened and saved me?". So bizzare, I wasn't even supposed to exist.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not religious because I never believed. From the first time when I was very young and asked at church "where was god?" and they couldn't answer. I called bullshit on it and I didn't even know what bullshit was.

[–] Elaine@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Nope, I have difficulty taking anyone seriously when they think they have unicorns in their shoes.

[–] sparkles@piefed.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No.

When I was a kid my mom send my sister and I to bible camp. I spent time with friends and I didn’t shun the one kid with a developmental disability like everyone else. Not for any particular reason I just got along with him as well as my other friends.

Those motherfuckers gave me a TROPHY.

Looking back it was the beginning of the end of my religious journey. Now I just make the best of it with my fellow normies.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

Nope.. I dont buy into modern mythology.

[–] slemptastrophe@piefed.social 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was raised in a devout Christian family. It never felt right to me. It just never felt capital "T" True.

After expressing that feeling at an early age, I was scolded and made to feel afraid of expressing any dissenting opinions about it. I guess I kind of internalized that fear, more as a coping mechanism than an actual belief.

When I got older, I rejected it outright, and went searching for the TRUE religion. I didn't find it, lol, and I began identifying as an atheist. Albeit, an atheist with a lot of knowledge of various religious and spiritual traditions.

Then, I read the Principia Discordia. That book changed my perspective on everything. It led me to Leary/Wilson's concept of reality tunnels. A person who only views things from one perspective (be that perspective religious, philosophical, scientific, or whatever) has a very narrow reality tunnel; a person who views things from multiple perspectives has a wider one. Our perception of reality is based on the perspectives we bring to it.

I think that most religions are structurally unsound as a whole. They fall apart under their own weight. But some of the discrete pieces of those religions can stand on their own, and when I find those pieces, I add them to my reality tunnel.

I'm drawn to non-dual forms of spirituality, because that's what feels true to me. I feel that way because of experiences I've had, or things that just feel true to me.

I don't expect anyone to feel the same way I do about it though. We don't have the same perspective, because we haven't had the same experiences. Expecting others to see things the way I do would be unfair, and wildly irrational.

[–] CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's funny you say this. After I became an apostate and left my faith, as I learned and grew behind that... I came to the conclusion that I knew what true salvation was now. Or at least perhaps one kind of salvation.

Salvation lies within ones ability to embrace different perspectives.

So much pain, struggling, and strife can be resolved by a change in perspective.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Not religious.

Because I was raised well enough to successfully avoid indoctrination into a cult.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No. I convinced myself I was until I was 16 or 17. It wasn't compatible with my worldview and it was completely unscientific.

[–] whitemonster@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

What about your worldview was incompatible with religion? Secondarily, do you think there is any religion that might be compatible with your worldview?

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not, but I kind of miss the community connection and discussion of life wisdom that religion serves.

I've thought about trying to go to a universalist Unitarian service sometime, since I've heard they dont really care if you are a more secular person, they're not a Christian church, and welcome folks of all sorts of world views

[–] whitemonster@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What type of community were you a part of before you chose to walk away?

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Oh eons ago I was raised nondenominationally christian. My missing those things is less a reflection of having had them in the past, and more a reflection of having much less access to community in the present. I dont think I really appreciated those things about church when I was a kid, and while it wasn't a bad experience (except when I joined for adult service, which bored me to tears), I don't really want back the same kind of church experience I has when I was little. It was lots of kids activities that snuck in ideals about how to be a good person and worship practices.

But I have a circadian rhythm disorder that limits my ability to get together with other people cause everyone's asleep for the bulk of time I'm awake, so connection to other people is precious to me. I'd love to find a way to participate in that kind of fellowship and discuss how we strive to be people we can take pride in and build good lives and communities for ourselves

[–] whitemonster@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago

I understand why human connection would feel so important when it's scarce like that. have you been able to find any groups to join that have filled that need?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] whitemonster@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do you actually believe that all religion is abusive?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

It's mind rot

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I consider myself Buddhist. Im not a particularly good Buddhist and im not an asshole so I generally keep it to myself.

When I was a teenager 20+ years ago I learned as much as I could about it. I wasnt ready to commit to anything so I carried on as an atheist, but I always felt that if anyone got it right, it was Buddha. If youre going to have a spiritual/religious philosophy, being devoted to the elimination of suffering seems like pretty much the best central concept you could go from IMO.

Im particularly drawn to Soto Zen. Theres a straightforwardness to it and zazen that makes sense to me. I really do need to sit zazen more regularly though.

[–] whitemonster@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Would you be willing to share why you feel so drawn to Soto Zen?

I read Hardcore Zen by Brad Warner at a fairly young age and liked his characterization of it. Like I said, it has a straightforward, practical quality to it that I appreciate. Most of what ive read on it since (im currently reading The Three Pillars of Zen, which is also from a Soto perspective) emphasizes discipline more than "religious" practices, which appeals to me. Im not much for religious ceremony or ritual, but i can understand discipline and practice. Even if I often fall short.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reincarnation seems interesting except I hate the "you shouldn't desire anything" aspect...

like... what if its wrong? Why the fuck shouldn't I get to enjoy my current incarnation?

There's nothing to say you can't enjoy life. Buddhism teaches mindfulness, which encourages you to appreciate where you are. There is joy to find in simply appreciating your circumstances, rather than striving for things like material wealth endlessly. It teaches escaping the treadmill of accumulation which ends up controlling us. By grasping interconnectedness, possession is left behind, and we liberate ourselves from suffering.

Thats my understanding, anyhow. Ive got a long way to go still.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 6 days ago

Nah, catholic church was very boring and always seemed like a scam to me as long a I can remember. Also Occam's razor. I'm not an evangelical atheist though: that seems like a waste of time and effort.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Nope. Wasn't raised religious. It's pretty common where I come from.

[–] gajahmada@awful.systems 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nah, cuz retrovirus in chimps. Also, whales.

[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

lots of people are theistic evolutionists though.

[–] gajahmada@awful.systems 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They can have their agency, as do I.

It's the conclusion I arrived at and there's nothing in my flavor of abrahamic faith I grew up with that can reconcile that. Well, unless Isa/Jesus comes down from the sky, then I'll cross the bridge when I come to it.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

I'm somewhat religious as I believe some feelings are holy/otherworldly/peaceful but it's not bible religion and there is only one of me, not a group.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 6 days ago

No. It’s not really something I think about apart from curiosity on an anthropological level on how it all came about.

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

As it is 95% a hereditary construct, no.

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'd like to think I'm a person of free will but... no, I'm not religious mainly because I was raised atheist. China was mostly folk religion (with a good bit of Buddhism) and in modern history it became aggressively atheist so... It's probably quite fascinating for ppl interested in history/religion studies, because I don't know any other country that is over 90% not religious

Obviously with scientific training & stuff I probably would have become an atheist or an agnostic anyways, but it's not because of my education that I became not religious so I can't really pitch it or anything...

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't call weird spiritual stuff "atheist", per se.

Does your family burn those fake heaven money thing? Burn incense? Put a chicken on a huge plate as a "sacrifice", then like hold the fake heaven money in their hand then like pray to spirits or whatever while muttering weird 4 character phrases like 心想事成,快高長大, 學業進步。。。 etc... then throw the fake money into a metal container with burning fire... you know what I'm talking about, right?

Idk wtf they are even doing lmao... so weird, I just never participate since I was a teen because those traditions just felt silly.

That, to me, is religion, even though its not "officially" religious.

I don't think I'm gonna be burning fake heaven money if I have kids... like... nah... kinda weird lol... I don't really believe in the spirits stuff and feels like its adding more pollution for no reason. Maybe I'm just too westernized and don't feel attached to Chinese culture anymore.

My family is from Guangdong btw, maybe your family is different, idk, does your family do those weird rituals?

I feel like a "banana" lmfao... ("asian on the outside, westerner on the inside"), the only attachment I have is that I can still read basic Chinese characters... and speak on a 2nd grade level, that's about it...

Oh btw, my mom is very anti-mental-health care and constantly think my depression is just “鬼纏住你” and tells me to wear some necklace or some dumb shit that "wards off evil" lmfao...

And wasting food will “被雷公劈” lolol.

I threw away food I didn't like (I was a kid okay lol) and I never got struck by the lightning god or whatever so... okay boomers.

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My family is from Manchuria/Beijing where the communist party has a much stronger grip so... I'm not kidding, a lot of ppl literally practice no religion whatsoever; probably got stamped out by the CCP. I think there might be a rather strong North/South divide in China: the North unfortunately has always been under stricter supervision by the party so...

Like they separate it very clearly. My grandparents' generation have old folk religion but ppl would call them "Mi Xin" so... my dad did burn the fake money things, but only during my grandparents' tomb cleanings or anything to do with the older generation. One of my grandparents is Buddhist, but she does make it quite clear. Otherwise most ppl I know literally have nothing remotely resembling religious in their apartments

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

On a related note: How harshly was the One Child Policy enforced where you're from? Like... did you know anyone or heard of anyone that managed to somehow give birth to a 2nd child... especially in urban areas or when the first child is a male (since rural areas had like an exception if the first child was female).

I'm just curious because I somehow managed to survive... like... I have no idea what the odds are to be a second son born during One Child Policy. Like my maternal grandparents had 3 daughters and they also only have daughters. My mom is the youngest so she had children the latest, so when my mom had not one, but two male children, my maternal grandfather was sooo happy, that's what my mom said.

Like... I have existential crisis all the time...

I don't think I would've been born if the policy was enforced more strictly... like if I was in the north for example...

Do you have any siblings at all?

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

One of my highschool teachers said this and it has stuck with me for so many years, because it's true

The One Child Policy wasn't what broke Chinese demographics. It simply accelerated a demographic shift that would have happened on its own anyway

Ppl were crafty, so there were always ways around it... But then if ppl were like my parents who didn't even want the first child anyway, then yeah they'd be nudged to not have the second

So I do not have siblings

[–] whitemonster@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wow, this is so interesting. I feel like the fact that the Communist Party “stamps out” all types of religion is simply a testament to how important it is for humans to share with eachother something higher than our mortal plane. Would you be willing to share more about your experience with your grandparents, and how the culture has now switched to a vast majority practicing no religion at all?

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's not as interesting... three of my grandparents passed away before I started memorizing things so I don't know that much stuff first-hand. But basically... At least where my parents grew up, old folk religions (again... just referred to Mi Xin now) used to be quite common. The last generation (starting 30-40 years ago) just don't really practice them anymore, so my generation are full of complete non-religious people; not even any folk religion. Not sure if it has anything to do with that region being the manufacturing hub of China for a while... so maybe CCP had a much stronger influence there

Beijing is kinda duh, the government is there so... I mean it is the city that destroyed nearly all of its Hu Tongs and historical housing and stuff to build highrises/business districts, how would people imagine Beijing treat its less tangible cultural norms

There was a new religion purge that started sometime 10-15 years ago... but I think it was separate. I just remember there was a Christian family friend whose church was in a bit of a trouble

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Like siempastrophe, I was not blessed with belief. I remember finding out that the adults at the church really believed the stories they were telling were true, when I was 5 or so.

I wouldn't say I am Atheist, with a capital A, either. No way to disprove, and the simple fact of physical existence is so mind-blowing, the universe existing at all, consciousness, time. But no I can't believe enough to believe in any particular religion as true.

[–] UnhingedFridge@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

No. Started in a Baptist family, but Mom died while I was young and Dad was less interested in the church, so I spent most of my adolescence not even acknowledging the hard questions of life. When those hard questions did arise, and answers aplenty showed their face, I was able to pick apart things in each religion that didn't make sense in order to keep myself from falling into the easy answers offered by others. Eventually, watching my grandma suffer from Alzheimer's gave me everything I needed to know about the soul and what makes each person themselves, so I found myself wholly stuck in an atheistic and scientific worldview.

Could there be something more? Maybe, but I can't see any of the existing religions fitting neatly into our cosmos.

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There has been written a lot of fantasy the last 3000 years, but I prefer the more recent ones.

[–] CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Honestly, the fiction that exists today has the capability of teaching incredibly valuable lessons with thousands of years of progress incorporated into it. I often find myself feeling all the warm and fuzzies when a fiction book of today touches important ethics amidst a simple sci-fi or fantasy story. 💜

There are certainly some good things to learn from ancient morality, like the Golden Rule, but it really cannot beat modern ethics. Many philosophies of long ago are still potent today, but many more (should) have become deprecated with the advent of modern science and ethics.

This is kind of why I've been gravitating towards Humanism. It's much of the goodness of religion, but without God.

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